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I was kind of thinking that the show would probably be structured like the old Hannah-Barbera Super-Friends show, during it's second, fourth and fifth seasons. It's not re-inventing the wheel, it's just returning to a format that hasn't been done in a while, with these characters anyhow.

There'll be 150 characters.

It's 152, as discussed last thread. Trust me, it's a significant difference.

Saw it at Comic-con. I must admit I didn't entirely love the episode they showed. Too much of the "fauxnime" style seen in Teen Titans.

The simplified figures are easier to animate.

Is it as bad as say making the most generic of anime expressions bad or just that it looks extremely mangaish bad?

If the former, than oh god it is going with the Teen Titans rather than Brave and the Bold. If that latter, than that is okay with me.

Yeah, kinda like TT. But I'm hoping against hope it was a one-episode thing.

As long as it was closer to Teen Titans then Teen Titans GO! I'll be okay with it.

Not saying much if anything at all. In a way it's worse.

TT GO! has the excuse of being a gag series written/produced by MAD castaways on a limited time/budget scale. TT was taken more seriously, and yet the fauxnime style was too inconsistent and ruined many moments.

I never really felt that way.

The faux anime style (to me at least) gave it it's own identity and set it apart from previous shows set in the DC universe. I mean, you could argue that the reason it's so well remember is because of that style.

Plus, I think Star Fire's look in that version is one of her best, and this is someone who doesn't mind her Ms Fan Service comic book look either.

Other post BtAS DC shows have had varying but superior art styles (namely Brave and the Bold). Like I said the anime expressions/comical takes from TT 2003 soured it a bit for me. Still liking it is one thing, but considering it in the same tier if not superior to any of the Timm/Dini series is absurd. At least TT Go! has consistency going for it. Not to mention Justice League vs. Teen Titans is the kind of take on TT we should have gotten all along.

edited 7th Aug '16 4:42:57 PM by azul120

No, what's absurd is not allowing people to have their own opinions on what they think about Teen Titans 2003. You don't have to like TT or its art style/animation, That is your right. You may not think it's at some other DC shows level but it is not a fact and I don't like you treating it as so and not everyone is gonna see it that way. TT is a show that meant a lot of things to a lot of people. TT had a freaking ton going for it that made fans enjoy it and it wasn't just because of the art style.

In my opinion it had amazing story lines, character development, character interactions, lessons, comedy, arcs, action, etc. It's incredibly special to me and one of my favorite superhero shows. Some people liked the animesque style, some people put it on tier with Timm/Dini's cartoons and I'm sure they have their reasons to and they should be able to feel that way without being trashed for it. It's possible you don't agree, and that's fine, not everyone is gonna love Teen Titans. Everyone has different preferences, interests, and not one opinion is factually better than others.

I'm a little perturbed at calling Teen Titans just plain bad myself. Inconsistent perhaps, or nonlinear if the glass is half full. But Teen Titans isn't beneath the Timm shows and I definitely wouldn't rank it under Brave and the Bold. It had great voice acting and above-average story/character arcs for a kid's show.

God I came here exclusively to defend TT 2003. :(

I haven't checked in on this in awhile. An episode was shown at comic-con apparently? 150 characters. I'm not sure how to feel about that.

edited 7th Aug '16 10:03:17 PM by Soble

On one hand it'll be really cool to see 150 different DC characters, on the other hand I have no idea how they're going to squeeze all that in.

Also I really appreciate someone defending Teen Titans along with me.

I love Teen Titans.

Yeah, it was quirky, but it could also get pretty awesome (Haunted is still a pretty dark episode).

Of course, I loved Batman The Brave And The Bold as well, which was also full of good humor, but had it's serious episodes as well—Chill of the (fucking) night—so I guess I just like most DC shows.

I mean I bloody hated Brave and the Bold pretty much and didn't really understand why it had such a following until I saw the Vampire Batman, JLA vs JSA, and Spectre/Phantom Stranger episodes. Even then it was not my favorite show to watch on CN.

But bile aside, (2) if these are 15-minutesodes, I guess its 2 heroes an "episode," you could effectively tell 150 different superhero origins and/or compelling stories within 75 episodes, so maybe 2-3 seasons worth of jumping from hero to hero. My concern would be what happens when viewership drops off when they get to lesser knowns and B-listers like Animal Man, Dead Man, etc. Brave in the Bold for instance was originally supposed to focus on lesser known Bat-baddies and heroes or so I understood at the time. I think it held off on Joker for at least half a season? I know it did an Emperor Joker episode.

I'm not telling those people what to like, necessarily. I should have mentioned I feel it's utterly hypocritical to at the same time call TT GO a mockery, not just because of the relative art shift, but also the liberties TT itself took (i. e. the Terra storyline being softened), and the characterizations already lacking a little dimension (Beast Boy is stuck making dumb jokes, everyone groans; Raven usually being stuck in goth mode; Starfire is a happy-go-lucky ditz). It was fine as more kid-friendly fare next to the Timm/Dini stuff, and did have its moments, but wasn't on the same level. I never called it bad, just a bit overrated.

Trust me, I wouldn't be calling out TT if not for people coming down on TT Go for things TT IMO already had in common when sized up against what came before it. It's a bit of a double standard. (Also, the lighthearted anime aesthetic was semi-common at the time what with Totally Spies, Code Lyoko and later Transformers Animated, though it can be argued those weren't as good to begin with. Nonetheless, it did face criticism for the aesthetic as well as the simplified tone.) Granted, Go has its own set of issues, but those are completely of its own doing.

Anyways, I think that's slightly digressing and getting more into territory belonging more in one of the pertinent threads.

edited 8th Aug '16 12:15:26 AM by azul120

Brave and the Bold held on Joker for most of Season 1 (save a single appearance near the finale), and the second season used him sparsely, but then overused him in the final season. Then again, other mainstays like Riddler, Penguin and Scarecrow got very lucky if they had more than one episode and a few nonspoken cameos.

Beware the Batman was more consistent about using obscure villains, but the network sank it as soon as it could.

Was there a specific reason Beware The Batman did d-listers like Anarky? Something in me tells me it was Executive Meddling.

No, I think it was a conscious choice from the creators. There was no competing Bat-TV show at the same time, so no Batembargo. And they gave Penguin a cameo and used pre-Two Face Harvey Dent, so it looks like they could've used the A-listers had they wanted to.

It was because showrunner Glen Murakami had already worked on like 3 different Batman shows and was tired of doing the same villains.

edited 8th Aug '16 3:24:55 PM by Cuber

I love the main Rogues, but I also loved the chance to skip them over for once.

I still remember the Bat-embargo, heh.

If they ever do another dedicated Bat-show, I think they ought to take a page from Justice League Unlimited and Young Justice and do story arcs, rather than entirely stand-alone stories.

Beware seemed to use most of the obscure villains for mostly recurring foes, while the more famous villains (Ra's, Deathstroke, Croc, Dent, etc.) were used for story arcs, and in the case of Man-Bat, was turned into a hero.

That's what Beware did. B:TAS and The Batman had two-parters and even Brave and the Bold had a mini-arc unfold via the cold openings, but Beware was the first Batman show to really use story arcs and strong continuity.