Does Not Illustrate: Suicidal Overconfidence

We see a battle scene about to unfold but it's unclear who the suicidal party is.

It's a muddy mishmash to me...I had to look for a couple of seconds to see what was happening.

Maybe the Dovahkiin against a dragon◊ from Skyrim? I know the Dovahkiin is perfectly capable of killing a dragon but the important thing is that he looksweak when compared to it. Hell, we could point that out in the caption.

None of these suggestions works at all. We need to find a video game pic where someone is piloting a giant mech vs ai controlled tanks trying to attack to player or something. Hell maybe Lu Bu or Tadakatsu Honda in the warriors games just bowing through enemies as they try to attack him.

EDIT: heck an AI trying to attack mario with a Super Star powerup would work.

Also this needs a new name... like The AI Never Retreats.

edited 22nd Nov '15 6:55:19 PM by Memers

I agree. The name is terrible. Suicidal overconfidence applies that this applies to any character who fights battles where they are clearly outmatched. Nothing in the title says anything about video game mooks. Lemming Mooks would be a better fitting name, but that's just a suggestion. Can't think of a pic, but the current is confusing.

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If the current showed the rats at something like level 1 or 2 vs the player being at level 50+ or something and still attacking then I would be fine with it.

At this point though the image is horrible and massively misleading, a normal person not reading the bolded part miles below the image would think its the opposite of the trope and in game those wolves are damn threatening at low levels.

Vote to pull?

Even Suicidally Overconfident AI or something would work better than current.

edited 22nd Nov '15 10:02:00 PM by Memers

Pull the current for being misleading.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

I'm stumped as to how this could be illustrated in a single picture. It seems to me that a caption would be necessary no matter what the image contained.

The only other alternative would be a sequence of pictures.

The first thing I thought of was the place in the Neverwinter Nights original campaign where you meet a trapped succubus and when you eventually free her, she immediately attacks you, but the thing is that if you've done all of the side-missions up to then, you'll be such a high level that you can kill her easily.

But there's nothing which I can think of about that encounter which would illustrate the trope in a single picture.

It might be possible to pause the game and take some screencaps showing the damage text above the succubus going from "Uninjured" to "Near Death" until she's dead in a few swipes. But surely we can find a more recent game to do something similar with?

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Bump. Anyone tried the above course of action?

(Annoyed grunt)

Pull. The image is just confusing.

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Random question: Would this apply to NP Cs who mindlessly attack other NP Cs?

This is the subject of this◊ comic and I wonder if it applies.

Not the best illustration, but might be a jumping off point.

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No. This is when a weak enemy will always attempt to attack the much stronger player character.

There must be a good image out there of some hilariously outmatched Pokemon fight from one of the gameboy games.

You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"

I went to the trouble of creating a Neverwinter Nights module just for the purpose of illustrating this trope. Here are what I think are the best images.

Full view at one half resolution

Full view at a little over one quarter resolution

Cropped view at a little over one quarter resolution

I can re-do this from slightly different angles, or crop the top if it's too tall.

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That doesn't look suicidal to me... There are so many of the goblins they should be able to owerpower the player character by their numbers. A similar example but with just one goblin would work much better.

It needs levels or stats labeled most of all. A pic really needs to have a bunch of level 1 mobs charging in vs a level 99 PC.

Just picture of a bunch of guys attacking doesn't work or else a simple pic of Dynasty Warriors combat would work, which is not really a good example.

edited 10th Dec '15 6:28:19 AM by Memers

It's my understanding that the trope still applies even when the enemy greatly outnumber the player, but I get your point.

I doubt you'll find many mainstream popular games which will both show that information and also illustrate the trope. Displaying those stats during combat would be distracting in the type of game to which the trope usually applies.

But I'll experiment a bit and I may be able to come up with something. I could at least use a single goblin instead of a crowd.

A good caption would help too. Something like: "Level 1 goblin, meet level 40 player"

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Do you really think you'll fare better than the 495 other Mooks I've KOed?◊

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That's a pretty good illustration, but I doubt it would survive being shrunk down to wiki size (350px wide). You'd lose most of the clarity and pretty much all of the readability.

But if you can shrink it down without ruining it, I'd be okay with using it.

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Without knowing the trope and seeing the k.o. count, it would seem the character in front is being overconfident.

edited 10th Dec '15 9:39:11 AM by eroock

What I see are multiples of the same mook attacking the player despite the high bodycount, which is exactly what this trope is.

That's an improvement over the current image. I like it.

Best yet.

21 seems to work.

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