Jessica Jones

I thought it would be interesting back when JJ S3 ended if they had Jessica snapped, and Trish having escaped the Raft due to it. Maybe while being transferred or something.

Then have Trish change pretty significantly in the intervening time. Back in 2019 I was thinking a redemption arc, but either way would be interesting.

I think JJ S4 could have been a good show to explore the ramifications of the snap on a more minor level. Both with Jessica herself, and cases she could deal with.

I....didn't feel like it was clearly setting up Season 4? It had a bit of a And the Adventure Continues vibe, but overall I'd say it was fairly conclusive. Not as much as Punisher Season 2, but more than Daredevil Season 3 and definitely much more than Luke Cage Season 2 and Iron Fist Season 2.

Yeah, Season 3 was made with full knowledge that it'd be their final season. It left the door open for future seasons just in case the shows got renewed, but it was definitely intended to be a finale.

Those were the endings for those characters. Those were the wrap-ups on their story arcs.

I always imagined Trish would get out of prison by being recruited as some kind of covert operative for whatever shady government organization you can think of. (Nowadays that would be damage control)

They would send her after dangerous people to take them down, and Trish would get to do what she wanted to do in the first place, only now sanctioned by the government. Her Arc would then be finding out that what she wanted is not all that she thought it was.

Edited by ZheToralf on Jul 5th 2022 at 10:40:01 AM

I can't see Trish being any good for covert operations. She's too famous for one and even if she's made to wear a mask, there is the issue of whether or not she can be trusted to remain under control.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 5th 2022 at 10:56:09 AM

Yes, if you love the character, it's a Put on a Bus to Hell moment.

I saw the end of Punisher Season 2 as a potential setup for this. Madani hit Frank up about doing some wetworks jobs, he said no, and it makes sense that she would look to recruit some superpowered criminals instead to do that work in exchange for amnesty while serving as an Amanda Waller-type figure. Trish would be great doing assassinations and sabotage work - she's got the perfect powerset for stealth missions.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 5th 2022 at 6:06:42 AM

There's the bigger question of though of whether that's what Trish would want to do or she'd be better suited to street-level heroism like the kind Jessica, Matt, etc. engage in.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 5th 2022 at 9:36:04 AM

Well, as I said. If you wanna redeem Trish, one of the most interesting ways would be to give her what she wanted, only for her to find that it's not actually what she wanted.

Kinda like Zukos Arc in Last Aribender.

Is there anyone who thinks she shouldn't be redeemed? I'm not sure who really liked the arc of her becoming a baddie.

Plenty of people did, such as myself and several other people in this thread. Sometimes you just end up on the opposite side of a controversial narrative choice. It happens to us all and is part and parcel of consuming media.

Edited by VeryMelon on Jul 5th 2022 at 10:33:02 AM

You know, I think about it, and Jessica and Malcolm could've maybe prevented this if they'd actually provided her proper moral support. I saw a reviewer point out that Jessica and Malcolm chaining up Trish, then taking turns telling her she's horrible and showing no empathy for her, seems counterproductive, and comes off more like Trish's loved ones goading her to further violence while she's having a breakdown. Said reviewer also pointed out that Jessica should've stayed to comfort Trish after Dorothy's death instead of doing Sallinger's bidding.

Edited by dmcreif on Jul 5th 2022 at 10:40:46 AM

I feel like part of the problem is that it was a foregone conclusion. Trish wasn't going to listen to them or acknowledge she had a problem.

But like Windleopard pointed out, Trish is famous. Being stealthy would be difficult for her.

I also wouldn't call Trish's powers useful for stealth because they are far too flashy. Invisibility or intangibility would be better stealth powers.

Trish just has to cover her face to get around the fame part, and night vision + super reflexes and agility makes her a great infiltrator either way.

I liked it, as did a lot of people.

As much as I dislike Season 2, it's obvious now it was setting up Season 3's Trish saga at its own expense, and the payoff is good at least.

Season 2 made Trish 100% unlikeable in my opinion, so yeah, I'll admit it was a fair bit cathartic to see her face justice in Season 3.

Yeah, I kept going, "I could not care less about anyone she hurts in Season 2. Can we get her back to becoming Hellcat and supporting jessica Jones."

It hit a little too close to home as far as the experiences I've had with people with addiction problems are concerned, especially the relapses becoming increasingly harder to conceal as they go to correspondingly greater lengths to downplay their problem and deny the obvious, no matter how much havoc it wreaks on their lives and how many people they hurt.

Considering that whatever the MCU does with the previously Netflix group of character is unlikely to be direct sequels and is more likely to be akin to reboots, the option is open for Trish / Hellcat to reappear in a more faithful capacity.

Yes. As with the tiresome Wanda debates in the Madness thread, this talk tends to assume Marvel won't just sweep Trish's past under the rug and write her into a redemption arc if the powers that be demand it.

I don't even think a redemption arc is forthcoming, nor that it would need to be in this situation.

The beauty of soft-rebooting these characters is that they don't need to directly acknowledge any of the previous stories that they don't want to. They can have it so Luke didn't become a gangster at the end of his show. They can have it so that the Hand is still around if they so wish. They can basically redo Iron Fist's whole deal. And, with Trish, they can just have Trish be comics Hellcat without needing to explain it.

It's not quite the same situation as Wanda, because Wanda is part of the current ongoing story. Trish's story was part of a kinda-canon-but-mostly-swept-under-the-rug story on a remote network ages ago. So we should fully expect them to just revamp.

In short: think of it less that we'd be getting a continuation of these stories, as much as the MCU is going to adapt them again. Some similarities, but departures wherever they see fit. We've already seen that in how Kingpin is blatantly just - like - comics Kingpin now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 6th 2022 at 10:34:05 AM

And while I can assume that yeah, a Thunderbolts scenario might be Trish's best chance now of getting out, I would assume that had the shows not been canceled back in 2018-19, they would've gone the route of Trish getting out around episode 3 or 4 in a hypothetical JJ season 4 through a criminal trial. And I think they'd use Matt for this rather than Jeri Hogarth, to make some use of Jessica connecting with him in The Defenders.

Of course, the bigger hurdle to a Trish redemption is that she'd need to own up to what she did and make clear to Matt that she doesn't want to get Off on a Technicality (even though that's probably her best chance of getting out).