Jessica Jones

The back two-thirds of Daredevil S2 really sweeps the legs out from the rest of the series up to that point (sorry, Elektra). Jessica Jones is much more consistent throughout, and I've got a real soft spot for noir. I'd much rather see more of this show than Daredevil or Punisher, to be honest.

Although if DD can give us a really good version of Bullseye, I may have to eat my words.

Even if they do, expect 11 episodes of Matt whining about how killing Bullseye is wrong and should never be considered as a solution because it is abominable, followed by an episode in which Elektra totally kills the f*ck out of Bullseye while Matt whines impotently and then everyone lives happily ever after.

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Honestly, I kind of like that Matt wrestles with his conscience a little. A *little*. He's Catholic and he goes to a priest, but not too often because he already knows he's already doing is wrong by that measure. And I don't mind that he struggles with killing— it should be a big deal for him. He shouldn't get too comfortable with it.

That being said, it really shouldn't be a constant well of sorrow and drama for the show either. More than most vigilantes, Daredevil knows *exactly* how far he can go and still stop short of killing people, and he's never shied away from crippling criminals, like that one Russian he threw off the roof in the second episode, and the other whose head he caved in with a fire extinguisher dropped from like three or four storeys high. The issue of Matt's immortal soul was always more of a technicality, a matter of personal doctrine instead of something more emotional, at least in Season 1. I think that was better.

Anyway, to get back to Jessica Jones, I think the reason she stops short of killing Kilgrave make more sense and ring more true. She has the power, but she's reluctant to use it. She wants to get Hope her life back, as she keeps saying, but she also just doesn't want to kill again, because she's still carrying around the guilt from killing Reva.

Jessica doesn't want to kill people because *she doesn't want to kill people*— although she will if she has to. With Matt, it's more like he doesn't want to kill people because he doesn't think he could stop if he did.

edited 16th Jul '17 2:02:27 PM by Unsung

I find Jessica Jones's meandering plotlines and its obsession with being edgy and nihilistic in every plotline a lot more troubling than Daredevil's boomerang sense of morality with Matt Murdock.

But both shows are pretty great.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

Wash that scotch down with some scotch.

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

Huh, didn't really notice.

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Just one more to add to my dream scene of having a bunch of Marvel Superheroes have a drinking contest. Tony, Cap, Thor, and now Jessica. Have I forgotten anyone?

edited 1st Sep '16 3:52:34 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Two have superhuman constitutions, two have crippling alcoholism. Seems a bit one-sided.

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Banner?

So, I have a little theory about Jessica's powers. Namely, I think she's actually got a case of Adaptive Ability, just one that works very slowly. The car crash when she was a kid didn't give her her powers; that was just the first time she was hurt badly enough and for long enough for her powers to kick in. As she recovered in the hospital, her powers altered her body to make it stronger and tougher, so that it would more easily withstand that sort of physical trauma in the future. That's the same reason she was eventually able to resist Kilgrave's power: after being exposed to his mind control virus for more than a year, her powers were able to adapt to make her immune to it.

Getting back to the drinking contest, I really want this theory to be true mainly so we get a scene where Jessica discovers that, because she's been drinking so heavily since escaping from Kilgrave, her body has adapted to make her immune to alcohol. I just love imagining how pissed that would make her.

You know what, that is a great bit of head canon....I would love this!

I wouldn't say crippling. A deleted scene from The Avengers was meant to show that Tony Stark's long life of constant substance abuse gave him a tolerance for mind-altering substances so great that he could immediately see through Loki's attempt at hallucinogenic coercion.

Thor, meanwhile, has always been fooled.

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Well damn, I kinda wish they'd kept that.

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http://www.themarysue.com/jessica-and-trish-are-friends/

The Mary Sue, huh? Well, I agree with the point of the article, generally speaking.

edited 22nd Sep '16 1:55:00 PM by Ninety

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I really hate the "why can't [two characters of same gender] just be friends?" argument, as though that's somehow a more radical departure from the norm than having a queer couple as leads on a television series.

Similarly, "Jessica Jones having love interests inherently invites men to perv over her" comes dangerously close to the whole "there is no such thing as positive female sexuality so long as the patriarchy and its horny dudes exist" argument I've seen some more radical feminists espouse.

That said—Jessica and Trish are basically sisters. So it'd be kinda weird. Odd that the article doesn't really touch on this.

(Would it be so terrible if Jess or Trish got a lady love interest that's not each other? But of course god forbid we provide positive alternatives for those who want queer representation in the middle of this argument against a lady-couple on the show)

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

Introduce Jen Walters and then have Trish date her

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Dooooo it.

Especially since they have an easy way to do it: introduce Jen Walters as one of the up-and-coming lawyers at Hogarth's firm. She meets Trish. They hit it off. Boom.

(Which is especially hilarious in that She-Hulk and Hellcat are best friends in the comics.)

edited 22nd Sep '16 2:05:08 PM by alliterator

Heck, Jeri's ex-girlfriend/assistant rebounding with Trish (or Jess!) would also work. Certainly that girl deserved better than she got, and demonstrated some solid acting chops.

However, Trish x Jessica bothers me a lot less than Iris x Barry does, primarily due to first impressions. The initial impression I got of Jessica and Trish was "Exes, right" while the initial impression of Iris was that she was the best sister in the world and Barry was being.. way creepy about it. There's also the fact that Jessica's adoption was a lot later and a lot less heartfelt than Barry's was.

edited 23rd Sep '16 6:03:20 AM by Izeinsummer

I agree with all of that, especially when the article is going to use phrases like "The problem for me arises when it’s shoehorned into a show where it doesn’t necessarily belong..." which I've heard used far too many times to try and justify not having any LGBTQ representation.

Straight people get nonsensical, shoe-horned romance plots all the time, yet no one seems to complain about that as much as when two people of the same gender enter into a relationship.

Wasn't the thing with Iris and Barry that they never considered themselves to be siblings, and were friends before her dad took Barry in? I haven't seen too much of the show, but that was the impression I had.

On the contrary, I felt like Trish and Jess' dynamics were much more family-like than Barry and Iris. Barry's "adoption" went much more smoothly than Jess', and he still had a father, so it makes sense to me that he sees Iris as a super-close friend, but not a relative. Especially since, unlike Jess and Trish, they knew each other before Barry got adopted.

Iris treated him like a brother. Barry treated her like a mushroom that he had a crush on. It really made me dislike Barry a whole lot.

Terrible writing decision all around, especially if they were intending to make them a couple - it'd have been an interesting plot line if Barry had eventually realized he was being a creeper and moved the hell on, but as is, it just means the show's one true paring is irretrievably poisoned to me.

As for Jessica, I'm mostly happy as long as they don't try to revive Jess x Luke. They nuked that pairing until the ground started glowing in the dark in season one.

Not really. They actually ended it on a hopeful note, with Jess telling him she loved him when he was in a coma. And in the comics, they are married with a daughter, so Jessica/Luke is probably endgame.

I wouldn't say "probably", to be honest - the comics are often used as a source, but they don't necessarily have to follow them to the letter.

I certainly think it's possible, but I think we should wait and see how Luke Cage and The Defenders play out.

Oh God! Natural light!