Jessica Jones

Did someone say 'bacon call?' Because I'm all for a bacon call. Who wouldn't be up for a bacon call?

edited 27th Nov '15 4:11:05 PM by kkhohoho

Sir Francis?

I'm so happy with that typo I'm not even embarrassed.

I'm a little disappointed no one's made a video yet pairing clips from Jessica Jones over the song Trish listens to in the final episode. That would be epic.

As an aside, The Jessica Jones Playlist. It's not for the music created for the show, only the existing songs used in it, or in the trailers.

I think it comes mostly off as Incest because Ruben obviously goes off on "strong and controlling" woman and Robyn acts more like a jealous lover than a sister.

Yeah, the twins came off as really incest-y to me too. And I thought Reuben was wearing women's tights when Jessica first goes to their door, but the lighting in the scene is dark so its hard to tell.

I say good luck to them...

I just finished the season.

My thoughts of it were, in short, that it's a pretty good show but the Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy in its relentless bleakness and the sheer amount of "Shaggy Dog" Story burned me out, as well as the plot wearing a bit thin for 13 episodes. Maybe a second season can improve it.

edited 28th Nov '15 10:09:41 AM by Gaon

I'm at episode 13. I have yet to watch it but man does it get really infuriating.

I can't help but want to scream at Jessica at what a dunderhead she's being!!!

Also she played really stupidly with Kilgrave. She should've told him to get Hope out and then have her leave the state while she was living with him before she should've drugged his ass.

Stupidity I can forgive, but she's being such a contemptuous jerk so much of the time. I found her contempt towards the Kilgrave therapy groups particularly jarring.

To be fair, a lot of people respond similarly to 'therapy groups'. and it isn't always wrong.

In case of wasn't clear Jessica is not one for talking about feelings, getting help, or being part of kumbayah support groups, it's not in her nature. It's horribly unhealthy, but it's who she is. It's not like she's going out of her way to dismantle the group, she just refuses to attend.

I think it's an awful and stupid decision but it's clearly not something she's ready for yet. If I needed her to make every right decision all the time I'd just write some crappy fanfiction where she is perfect, but that wouldn't be interesting.

I know stories where characters make the best decision (from the knowledge available to them) most or even all of the time.

Jessica is a terrible decision-maker.

That's what happens when your heroine is a realistically-portrayed victim of abuse.

Bah! Don't they say that realism should never get in the way of a good story? Also, she was like that before meeting Kilgrave.

Well she was mean before Kilgrave but after that she was flat out self-destructive. At least before she was put in the world, actually out in the open, hanging with Trish and stuff, being a part of reality. After that she's far worse and in worse ways.

Growing up watching your adoptive sister being abused by her mother and having to defend each other does not make you prone to rational decisions either.

Especially when you feel guilty about the death of your parents in the first place, which is the reason for your adoption. Jessica's teenage years have been nightmarish, they are much more common among villains than heroes. That she turns out to be a decent person in the end is rather impressive, you can't ask her to be the most well-adjusted human being on top of that.

At least she still gives a damn. Sometimes.

A good story is not one where the characters are constantly making rational, smart decisions. It results in pretty shit conflict.

Telling a story entirely about the heroes making stupid bone-headed decisions isn't exactly marvelous storytelling either.

They are not stupid bone-headed, they are logical bone-headed considering who Jessica is.

Logical and bone-headed don't really go hand in hand.

They're justified decisions, but no, a lot of what she does is not logical. And even if it's justified, it doesn't change that it results in the story spending a good chunk of its time spinning its wheels.

Well then justified, or consistent. In any event, they are logical considering Jess' character.

If the point is that Batman would have gotten rid of Kilgrave in half an episode, then yeah. But here the story is not really about solving Kilgrave, it's about how Kilgrave affected Jess' and everyone else's lives.

Take Robyn out of the story and instead spend more time exploring Jessica's and Trish friendship (I wouldn't have minded to get a whole episode about their past) as well as making Will'S change a little bit more gradual, and it would have worked perfectly.

That's mostly it. I don't mind stories where mistakes advance the plot. But ones where they pad it out...?

In the hands of a bad writer, everything results in pretty shit conflict. In the hands of a decent one, this kind of story results in tremendously high-quality conflict. Instead of relying on idiot balls, they rely on genuinely complicated problems, where the characters don't have all the pieces of the puzzle. Instead of designated heroes and card-carrying villains, you have people trying to achieve goals while trying to stay true to principles and ideals, and who sometimes aren't sure what those are, and discover and refine and even discard them through the process of the story.

Being rational and smart doesn't make you an automatic winner who wins with ease. It just makes you someone who actually does everything in their power to win, within reason, instead of sabotaging themself.