Wonder Woman Movie

Believe it or not, that was post crisis

And it somehow worked for a bit.

I think this coupled with all the phases Diana went through (hell, even the 70's superspy) would make that "Wonder Woman through the ages" idea very compelling.

Sneak peak trailer aired during Gotham. No brand new dialogue, but a number of new shots of training and action.

@my Gail Simone tweet post in BVS

I was thinking of picking up some of her Wonder Woman stuff. I just finished reading Kingdom Come and that plus Injustice really made me interested in Diana. Also the upcoming movie.

All anybody has recommended to me though are Rucka and Perez. I'm sure they're both great - I just always heard Simone was good too but nobody suggested any of her stories to me.

But apparently this movie is maybe drawing from the N52 stuff by a guy with a name I can't remember how to spell. But Rucka retconned all that away with his new series so... -shrugs-

This is why I only read miniseries and AU's for a long time.

Silver Age? If you clicked the link, you would see a Brian Bolland cover and his artwork would have been considered too sophisticated for comic books during that time period. Also, I don't think tacos would be referenced in the Silver Age unless it involved stereotypical Mexicans.

edited 2nd May '17 12:20:56 PM by DS9guy

One of my favorite comics moments in WW history was a guest appearance she makes in Secret Six where she shows up and the Six all acknowledge they are useless against her for the most part.

Deadshot considers shooting her, remembers her bracers and decides it against it. He later changes his mind, and she deflects his bullets exactly like he figured, and he kind of softly looks at his guns and says something like "That's just not fair."

But then she gets taken out by the then new member who wasn't Silver Banshee but a member of the same species.

She is also as noted, incredibly badass in Kingdom Come.

Then there was the times Superman is brainwashed (and the narration notes he thinks Lois is dead and thus is not "holding back" like many writers say he always does) and she beats him down anyway.

Or the time she ground Batman under her heel and told him to stay down because, (and I'm sure the movie will show this) unlike the other two of the Big Three, she will kill him.

Wondy's badass across iterations and writers.

Diana is clearly more dangerous than Bruce or Clark. She has the skill and the power to mess you up if she chose. I guess Bruce is too distracted by something to realize that yet. Though, it was a bit busy the first time he saw Wonder Woman go into action.

We are really getting a marketing push now. Makes the whole "Where's the Wonder Woman ads? WB is screwing it up." complaints last week amusing.

Latest TV spot makes it really obvious the movie's aesthetic is Blues and Yellows, if that wasn't already clear enough.

The Circle by Simone is a great WW story, but the rest is a mixed bag due to editorial meddling. I'd recommend Perez, Jimenez and Rucka's original runs. Read back-to-back those show great development for post crisis Diana. Rucka's second run I feel is good, though YMMV on that.

Um, how? She fails to keep the new heroes in line, has to run to Superman for help, is repeatedly pointed out to be a failure and most of her time, she's being criticized by someone for using lethal force.

I think you're being unfair. WW didn't fail there any more than Superman did. The point of the story is that both of them tried to help, to make the world a better place, and they failed miserably. Because Reality Ensues.

One of my favorite exchanges in the series.◊ Debating what it means to be a hero is why I read comics like this. Diana was crushed by a cynical world into thinking that unrelenting force could set the world straight. Also Batman suggests she is overcompensating due to her banishment by her fellow Amazons. The deeper psychology of WHY someone is a superhero, what they think they're accomplishing, never fails to fascinate me.

Perhaps calling her "badass" was crude. But I think you're oversimplifying her characterization there.

I'd have more respect for the story if Diana weren't a plot device and a straw man. Even Waid admitted he wrote her as such because he never cared for the character and he's flat out said it was one of his biggest regrets.

But honestly, I don't see Kingdom Come as a good story. It's basically a bunch of old guys complaining about how "comics these days are bad not like the old days were heroes were heroes". It is a cynical tale portraying anyone who isn't Superman as a villain at worst, a misguided extremist at best. It repeats the inane dogma of "heroes don't kill" and ignores any real discussion of lethal force. I believe this series of essays best capture how I feel

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com.ng/2010/12/we-need-hope-how-man-who-loves-mark.html

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com.ng/2010/12/gods-of-yesterday-how-man-who-loves.html

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com.ng/2010/12/now-for-democratic-response-mark-waid.html

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com.ng/2010/12/we-have-to-work-togeth-how-heroes-learn.html

Hell, one of the reasons I like Man of Steel is that it refuted every point made by this story.

edited 3rd May '17 2:22:20 AM by windleopard

Except the core of Superman's character is basically the same in both works. He is presented as having an innate sense of right and wrong, an "instinctive" morality that transcends logic, reason or legality. In KC, that idea runs amok because he's become too detached. The death of Lois put him in an apathetic state where he was acting to enforce his views of justice without really caring about any of it. He wanted the better years of his life where everything was simpler back again and he had the power and authority to try and force this "reversion" as fast as possible. He's a Super Conservative.

That was his mistake.

While one is an old Superman and another is a young Superman, they both have intense empathy that causes them to act rather than think. This causes problems for both of them.

Overall, I can see the criticisms the essayist you linked to has but I don't agree with them. I couldn't care less about the little people not having more of a role in the story. If I was Norman, I'd have told the Spectre to stop those nukes immediately.

edited 3rd May '17 2:43:42 AM by Nikkolas

Um, how? If anything, DCEU Superman is more willing to consider his actions and their consequences than KC Superman. I doubt you'll see DCEU Superman imprisoning people in a gulag unless mind control shenanigans are involved.

Ma and Pa Kent both encourage Clark to maybe give up this superhero gig. It's dumb and nobody appreciates him for it. He owes nothing to any of these people. Yet he still does it. There's no rational reason to do it - no one could do shit about if if he went to some island and decided to live out the rest of his days there. But he doesn't stop being Superman because he cares too much. He wants to help and all the betrayals and ingratitude in the world won't make him stop trying to help.

edited 3rd May '17 2:53:24 AM by Nikkolas

Where he was up against an enemy as strong as he was and was going stronger by the minute? What does thinking have to do with that? No, they tell him stuff like "be careful about revealing yourself too soon and "help people if that is what you really want". Neither actually tells him to give it up.

edited 3rd May '17 2:55:56 AM by windleopard

I edited away that point because I don't care enough about arguing it.

Maybe we should just agree to disagree here. I've found these debates can get... intense on these boards.

Fair enough. As I said, I simply like stories such as KC and MOS and many more that explore heroes facing reality. Different people have different ideas on how well these stories do that, as I'm sure you are well aware given all the DCEU hate. I myself simply appreciate anything that dares to ask the question. It's why I enjoy all of these.

edited 3rd May '17 3:08:35 AM by Nikkolas

New poster◊.

Really my only exposure to the Amazons was in Justice League, where Diana had to leave Themyscira herself because the Amazons wouldn't help due to it being the "man's world" and thus apparently not worthy of saving, plus banishing her a few episodes later due to bringing men with her to save their island.

Not to mention the psychotic (admittedly the other Amazons also condemned her actions) adopted girl from them that tried to wipe out every man on Earth with a virus.

Ah! Actual colors!

She looks like she's trying to hold excretory gas.

edited 3rd May '17 4:57:00 PM by fredhot16

@the librarian like I said they are more sympathetic in other versions. The ones from the film were enslaved and lived in a time that was pretty ugly for women

Same as before, mostly things we've already seen and heard. This one has a couple interesting new shots, at 0:45 Diana is screaming with an orange cloud around her and a couple seconds later is deflecting another bullet in the same environment. In general, though, this trailer shows longer action beats, giving us a better sense of the movement and pacing.