Justice League vs. Teen Titans

Damn. I was afraid of that. So for all intents and purposes, she's as strong as she needs to be.

I guess that's why her actual strength level is so vague. It still seems like she's not quite as powerful as a Kryptonian, and she's definitely not on Diana's level either.

edited 15th Apr '16 9:15:01 PM by HandsomeRob

Aren't all Flying Brick types as Strong as They Need to Be? And how did Damian survive that fall?

edited 16th Apr '16 7:15:55 AM by bookworm6390

Yes, but Starfire's exactly strength level has never really been given. She's apparently lower than class 100, but how powerful she really is hasn't really been quantified the way other flying bricks like Superman, Wonder Woman Shazam CAPTAIN MARVEL and the like have been.

She's weaker than that bunch. That's the most we know.

You know what I realized I like the most about this movie:

That the Justice League actually gets to do something.

In the original Comic book arc and the animated version they just got turned to stone with everyone else.

In this, they actually had an opportunity to take a shot at Trigon. Sure, they couldn't do anything, but it's better than doing nothing because LOL! We're stone...or in the case of the animated series, not relevant.

edited 4th May '16 6:36:30 PM by HandsomeRob

I don't think they ever showed the League at all in the 2003 series.

Agree. It's the one element I hope for in Season Three of Young Justice (I wanted that season to be a more closer adaption to Marv Wolfman's run on the Titans) as that means no more of that Superman Stays Out of Gotham bs; cause seriously how many times in the Teen Titans cartoon where a dire situation occurs with the Titans and you just cry out "Why didn't Batman get involved"? Cause I said that a lot during any a Robin themed episode (especially with the season one finale where he should of get involved knowing how overprotective he can get).

And that is one of the problems I have with the show.

edited 4th May '16 6:52:14 PM by BigK1337

My best guess is in that universe Batman existed, but most of the rest of the League didn't. Most specially Superman, who should be *the* impossible to ignore cornerstone of the superhero community in any universe where he exists.

Good theory except for members like Speedy, Aqualad and Kid Flash existing meaning the existence of their mentors (Green Arrow, Aquaman and Flash) is there seeing just like Robin they are sidekick spinoffs. And seeing how teams like Doom Patrol still operating, this would mean other DC teams are out there.

I can buy the no Justice League theory well, but the mentors exist and may have form their own version of the Justice League

Well, I'm okay when it turns out that while the Titans are protecting Jump City, the League is fighting Darkseid in space, getting beat up by Amazo, or trying to figure out why Ambush Bug is so ridiculous.

I do agree that there has to be limits though. I'm assuming Trigon turned them to stone before they had a chance to do anything in the 2003 series (though this requires the Titans to say nothing about what was going on with Raven, but they might have been afraid the League would take her away or something, or they felt that as a titan, she was their responsibility).

I'm guessing something similar happened in the original comic considering Trigon's power.

If nothing else, this movie shows that at the height of his power, the league might not be able to stop him. Then again, Green Lantern and Shazam CAPTAIN MARVEL weren't there, so we can be sure how they would have fared. Cap is basically magic Superman (and without the magic weakness) and GL...well, this GL is kinda a moron, but he might be able to do something.

The League didn't show up in the Teen Titans cartoon because of an embargo that limited what characters could be used in one show while they were appearing on another. For instance, Dick Grayson didn't appear on The Batman until Teen Titans' cancellation.

The in-universe example is that other world breaking stuff is always going on and the League can't be everywhere at once. This is a bit tricky with the Trigon episode as that involves literal Hell on Earth but as pointed out the League wasn't involved in the comic version either.

edited 9th May '16 8:02:24 AM by windleopard

The Teen Titans Go(Not the ones based on the new spinoff) did have Batman cameo in a issue. Plus Robin does imply that he sees Bruce as more of a father figure then Slade in an episode of the original show.

I'm guessing in that show's universe, Bruce and Dick are still on somewhat good terms.

My guess is they separated badly, they still refuse to talk to each other, Batman simply resorts to creepily stalk Robin like in that issue, but they still think the best of each other, they're only too stubborn and Tsundere to admit it.

I can imagine Bruce being Tsun-Tsun all too well.

Meanwhile, Slade's Robin's Yandere.

The most we get is Robin's comment about working alone during the beginning of Go.

The tone is too neutral to make his feelings on the matter clear.

That being said, he states I already have a father to Slade, so whatever happened, he still cares about Bruce a lot. Though that's usually the case.

Something worth pointing out is that the Robin in the original Teen Titans had Jason Todd's temper despite still being directly confirmed to be Dick Grayson . I think he also had some traits from the third Robin as well, his detective skills I think

The costume was closer to Tim's then Dick's.

There was also the bow staff, which is specifically a Tim thing.

He still had Dick Grayson's backstory though....and his compulsion to make witty one liners. The Jason Todd temper is notable though as that Robin caused a few problems for his team via loosing his temper.

Well it's not really surprising.

I mean, The Teen Titans version of Kid Flash was probably a combo of Wally West and Impulse (mostly in the form of his vibrating through solid objects power, which I'm not sure Wally had if Young Justice is anything to go by).

Though he never mentions Bruce's name. Also, a bit funny, there was episode of Static Shock that crossed over with Batman. When Static asks where Robin is, Bruce responds, "He's with the Titans". Virgil says he's never heard of them.

I only remember Teen Titans Robin's temper being an issue when Slade got involved. With Jason it was apparently a regular thing.