Spider-Man: Homecoming

Depends on the writer, and also depends on what exactly he's doing. He might just be straining to pull the webbing together before the ship collapses, rather than holding the ship together for an extended period. I definitely believe his webbing could do that.

I hope this.

Spiderman is strong, but not too.

Maybe Iron Man comes in and helps him out right afterwards.

Eh...any idea how strong Vision is?

Well, he could easily cannonball Giant Man.

Like literally every other character Peter is Strong as They Need to Be.

he also fought Ultron hand to hand, and Ultron had proven himself to be a physical match for Thor.

edited 3rd Mar '17 5:01:44 AM by comicwriter

Yeah, I forgot about Vision, at least in the sense of how strong he could be. I suppose I tend to think of him in the same category as Wanda— he's definitely the most powerful in that sense, and you could call it strength, though it might also be his matter/mass-adjusting powers rather than raw physical strength, even if he potentially still has that strength and could maybe even do the exact same thing as Giant Man. Like, with characters as powerful as Hulk, Thor, the Twins, and Vision, it's more a case of Weak As They Need To Be, whereas I feel like Cap, Iron Man, and Spider-Man just look like they're working harder to be at the same level. It's largely a cosmetic thing, though.

I like Peter's Spider-Man Noir-esque costume.

Crossposting this from the MCU thread (maybe more appropriate here):

I thought the trailer was great and indicates a lot of positives with the film. Oddly despite my issues with Tony Stark in the MCU (which I admit is tied with perceptions of RDJ), he really works well as a mentor figure and the fact that the bad decisions he cautions Peter against are often ones he makes himself doesn't detract from the message, but actually enhances it. Also, it's a good way of doing the "Great Power/ Great Responsibility" thing without having to have a flashback of Uncle Ben being killed.

One of the things I most liked about the Spectacular cartoon was that rather than have Peter be phenomenally unlucky due to the "Parker Luck", it's more like he's well intention ed and somewhat naive and bad things will happen as a result of poor decisions- but there's not a sense that the universe itself is against him. And plenty of good things happen to him too. The trailer seems to emphasize this kind of take on Peter, which is promising.

Yeah, for instance, Electro in Spectacular probably wouldn't have become a villain if Peter hadn't just attacked him out of nowhere. Same with Molten Man.

Spectacular Molten Man was screwed either way, but yeah. I remember it was particularly bad with his romantic arcs - Spectacular Peter never really got a handle on the whole "priorities" concept.

Anywho, the plot of this one seems to revolve around Iron Man quite a bit, with the villain being created by Stark and having a grudge against him and "Peter as Tony's apprentice" being the center of a lot of things. Tony is even the one who comes up with the "friendly neighborhood Spider-Man" line.

I'm... ultimately going to have to see how that turns out. I can't decide how I feel about it just yet.

Spider-Man may leave the MCU after Homecoming 2.

I'll believe it in the event that Homecoming bombs or doesn't do as well as expected.

If it makes bucketloads of cash, you can be sure that the day after it comes out Sony will be revealing news along the lines of "MCU Deal With Spidey Extended To Ten More Films" and even "Sony Open To More Collaborations With Marvel Studios."

edited 28th Mar '17 3:01:53 PM by KnownUnknown

I see someone's getting cocky and convinced they can do their own movie universe out a single licensed franchise, again.

I wouldn't worry....it is actually way more likely that the Sony film division messes up so badly, that Sony decides to sell it. I am sure Disney will be happy to buy it...including all the rights attached to it.

So far, Homecoming looks like the best Spidey flick since Spider-Man 2. I'm really looking forward to it. I think Tom Holland did really well in Civil War (well, except for that torturous reworking of "With great power comes great responsibility," but that's a script problem and not his fault).

Goodness' sake, the movie hasn't even come out yet and they're already trying to claw their property back?

Couple years ago, an executive went, "Each Spider-Man movie makes less profit than the one before it. Maybe we should cut a deal with Marvel after all."

Now, somewhere, there is another executive looking at all the anticipation surrounding this movie and going, "Hah! I knew everyone loved Spider-Man. These people are clearly excited because there's a Spider-Man movie coming. We didn't need Marvel after all!"

If there's one thing you can always count on studio executives to do, it's draw precisely the wrong conclusions from everything they review.

edited 31st Mar '17 3:38:59 PM by TobiasDrake

Drugs are sadly a powerful thing.

Coke is one hell of a drug.

I'm pretty sure this is less about drugs and more about money. Of course, they're incredibly dull not to realize the reason people are only so excited about Homecoming because it's set in the MCU. If Sony really goes back to doing solo Spidey flicks, people are going to lose interest again.

I don't mean to bash the character himself, by the by. Spider-Man is, like, my second or third favorite superhero. I just didn't care for the Amazing duology. (Well, the second one is better than people give it credit for, but it's still not that good.)

I agree with basically all that(though Spidey is my favorite superhero, period).

edited 31st Mar '17 11:06:16 PM by Prowler

Second-favorite for me, right after Iron Man.

Naturally, I am seeing this movie opening night.

edited 1st Apr '17 6:57:48 AM by TobiasDrake

I wonder if Pete has had any big battles (or more precisely I guess, battles against minor threats that would make good Noodle Incidents - maybe even before Stark first showed up in his life. Like, when we see the Bugle for the first time, we see their first headlines about Spidey saying stuff like "'SPIDER-MAN' CONNECTED TO 'BIG-MAN' / 'CRIME-MASTER' WAR?" or "POSSIBLE 'SPIDER-MAN' SIGHTING, FIGHTING MONSTER IN SEWER!"

One of my favorite little things about Spider-Man's early days, and something that stuff like the Spectacular captured well while the movies didn't so much, is Spidey's career starting with a lot of little adventures against less consequential villains before his life got steadily crazier building up to the big game changers. Spectacular especially started with the idea that he's been active for a short while and in that time has had several confrontations with characters who would later become deadlier foes.

With the exception of Amazing Spider-Man 2, the movies generally haven't done a great job of establishing that Spidey is actively having adventures and constantly being... well... the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderhood Spider-Man.

Based on some of the casting details, it seems like Homecoming might be doing something similar to Homecoming. Because the Vulture's gang includes Herman Schultz, Montana, and Phineas Mason, and whoever Donald Glover's character is (I think potentially a composite of the main and ultimate Prowlers- so called Hobbie Brown but a bad guy). And judging from the trailers, they start out as low level criminals, but as with Spectacular, might potentially get better gear during the film or in subsequent movies.