Opening this. I would just merge the Fanfic.Fan Fics and Fan Fic pages. The former page might become an index for second-degree fics (i.e fics of fanfics) if we stick with using this namespace scheme (which I don't like as it misuses the namespace and renders the indexing needlessly dependent upon the original medium, but that's Wiki Talk discussion).
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What about FanWorks.Home Page? I'm really contesting its usefulness as a separate index.
Whatever the final index will be, I think its entries can be inserted as second bullets within the list of sub-indexes by media, like this:
... etc.
FanWorks.Home Page is the index for the FanWorks/ namespace. As for putting the work-specific lists in subpages, it's not good practice to put subbullets in indexes.
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I suggest the following:
- Create a page at Fan Work Index.
- Subpages Fan Works.Advertising, FanWorks.Anime And Manga, FanWorks.Comic Books, et cetera, with FanWorks.Real Life and Fan Works.Crossover at the bottom.
- Each FanWorks.(parent work) page is placed on the appropriate index. Franchises can be listed under multiple indexes; for example, Fan Works.Pokemon would be listed under Anime, Manga, and Video Games. At the bottom of the list, there is a crossover page (FanWorks.Anime And Manga Crossovers, FanWorks.Comic Book Crossovers, et cetera) followed by a miscellaneous page (FanWorks.Anime And Manga Misc, et cetera) for fan works of uncommon fandoms that don't have FW pages.
- Each page for a fan work is placed in its parent work's Fan Works page; if it is a crossover, it is listed on both, except if the crossover is common enough to merit its own page (see Common Crossover).
- Each FanWorks.(parent work) page is placed on the appropriate index. Franchises can be listed under multiple indexes; for example, Fan Works.Pokemon would be listed under Anime, Manga, and Video Games. At the bottom of the list, there is a crossover page (FanWorks.Anime And Manga Crossovers, FanWorks.Comic Book Crossovers, et cetera) followed by a miscellaneous page (FanWorks.Anime And Manga Misc, et cetera) for fan works of uncommon fandoms that don't have FW pages.
- Subpages Fan Works.Advertising, FanWorks.Anime And Manga, FanWorks.Comic Books, et cetera, with FanWorks.Real Life and Fan Works.Crossover at the bottom.
Other miscellaneous rules in my proposal:
- In certain cases, it may make sense to have a "general" page for a franchise containing multiple works, if crossovers between the two are common enough. This page would index fan works that contain major elements from multiple works in the franchise. (For instance, FanWorks.Buffyverse General would index Buffy/Angel crossovers, and FanWorks.Whoniverse General would index various crossovers within the Whoniverse.)
- Index pages for common crossovers (FanWorks.Buffyverse Whoniverse Crossovers) are placed in the appropriate crossovers index (FanWorks.Live Action TV Crossovers) as well as linked on their parent works' fanwork pages.
- Work pages for crossovers not on the "common crossover list" are listed under their original work and in the appropriate crossovers index.
- A crossover between Doctor Who and Friends would be listed on FanWorks.Doctor Who, Fan Works.Friends, and FanWorks.Live Action TV Crossovers, as they are in the same medium.
- A crossover between Naruto and Harry Potter would be listed on Fan Works.Naruto, FanWorks.Harry Potter, and FanWorks.Misc Crossovers, as they are in different media.
- Work pages for "common crossovers" are listed only in the appropriate common crossover index.
- A crossover between Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Doctor Who would be listed on FanWorks.Buffyverse Whoniverse Crossovers, but not on their parent works' fanwork pages or on FanWorks.Live Action TV Crossovers.
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No responses to my suggestion?
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It's far too much original work-centric. What the original work is is simply not important enough to justify such a complex scheme.
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Basically this. ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Original works are important enough that they should probably have a page (for the original work) that indexes fan-imitations. I would prefer that this is the Fan Work namespace. For the purpose of indexing these, FanWork.Fan Works should just list all the pages in alphabetical order, not by original medium.
The Fan-made works themselves should probably be indexed with Main.Fanfic, by medium:
etc.So, to provide an example, Darths & Droids should be indexed under FanWork.Star Wars (which is indexed under FanWork.Fan Works) and under FanFic.Webcomic (which is indexed under Main.Fan Fic).
edited 2nd May '15 6:07:06 AM by crazysamaritan
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Support suggestion in post #2.
Bumping for more opinions; has anyone else something to add, or should we just crowner this?
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I'm most in favour of your original suggestion: Fan Works/ pages for when, say, Hetalia has so many fan works they can't all be listed on one of the work's pages - most commonly trivia; Fan Fic index for all the work pages of fanfics. Some fanfics that a. have their own work page, and b. are of a franchise so popular it has its own Fan Works page, will of course be in both places.
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Alright then.
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The suggestion above doesn't solve the problem that a media namespace should only be used by works, and not by indexes. Fanfic/ is currently the only exception to this rule. I would have hoped for a solution that would remove this incoherence.
Huh. I think the idea here is to merge FanFic.Fan Fics into Fan Fic. I do support your idea as well but it's a different problem.
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for the simple merge, which solves the problem. Fan Fics being an index, then - would Fan Fic/ Live-Action TV then be an index for the applicable (and so forth)? Fan Works being the media namespace, separately.
edited 9th May '15 10:51:19 AM by lakingsif
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It's fine the way it is. FanFic.Fan Fic may be awkward, but at least the page exists as an easier way to access the trope pages for works by medium instead of by genre.
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Attached a crowner to get this moving - seems like most arguments have been brought forward.
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Okay, looking at the crowner so far, it appears to be unanimous in favor of merging. Should we call it?
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12 for with 0 against seems call-worthy due to how long this has been open.
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Calling it; merge away.
Made a somewhat crude sandbox on Sandbox.Fanfic.
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I know this technically isn't Image Pickin', but is the old Fanfiction.net logo really better than having no image at all?
EDIT: Also, should fanfic authors have their own index?
edited 21st Nov '15 5:08:59 PM by bwburke94
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I'm fine with removing that pic from the page.
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Hmmm, the sandbox page looks alright. Shall we incorporate it in?
Also, I don't mind if we remove the image.
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Moved to Short Term since it only needs a small amount of work.
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What would be the best way to fix the page?
This page, beyond a thorough description of the fanfiction concept, is also an index of fanfiction formats, genres and relationship with canon.
There are, however, two other indexes dealing with fanfics:
This is needlessly complicated, notably making it hard to locate the right page(s) where you should index a fanfic, and thus hindering indexation. Also, those two sub-indexes are certainly misusing their namespaces.
So, I'm suggesting a merge of all those indexes under Fanfic. Or maybe, if we want to keep the Fanfic "trope" separated, creating a "Fanfiction index" page solely for the indexation.
As a side note, a Wiki Talk thread
was opened to deal with the question of the sub-indexes by media misusing the Fanfic/ namespace.
edited 21st Mar '15 5:31:59 AM by StFan