Needs Help: No Really Its Okay

Where to start. It's underdefined: strip out the paragraph of "Compare [Trope]," and it's really just a laconic. It doesn't seem particularly well-disambiguated from Milholland Relationship Moment. And the trope name sounds like dialogue.

I did a wick check and found only 12 wicks, three of which were Zero Context Examples that I commented out, one of which was an entry on the Needs More Wicks index, and one of which was misuse, so only 8 valid examples.

What to do with it? Personally, given its miniscule presence and similarity to another trope, I'm inclined to call for it to be cutlisted.

Thoughts?

edited 18th Mar '15 11:33:39 AM by hbi2k

Wow. It's been around for almost 2 years, has had two edits in that time, and doesn't appear to have been YKTTW'd. That looks like it was launched without proper preparation.

It's not a duplicate of Milholland Relationship, it's the opposite; Milholland is when the act genuinely hurts the other character but is forgiven. This one is when the act helps the other character.

But it definitely needs work.

Agree with OP's suggestion to cut.

I don't think it's cuttable. It does seem like a proper trope, it's not a duplicate, and there are enough examples to not be Too Rare to Trope. Could use some rewriting, and maybe a better name.

Definitely needs a new name, at least. From the name alone, I was pretty positive it'd be about someone claiming something would be okay, but it clearly isn't.

And the description is just... just rubbish.

But I do think it's a trope. It might be covered somewhere, but it's a trope. Unless we find something else, I don't think we can cut it.

I agree with a name change. I think this is a trope, though maybe not a very common one.

Also, some You Can Keep Her! examples also fall under this trope.

edited 6th Apr '15 6:37:57 AM by Rjinswand

Alright, what are we looking at for names? Something like "No need to be sorry" or "Actually, that works" or some such?

There's a trope called Milholland Relationship Moment?!?

edited 7th Jul '15 10:59:31 PM by Leaper

For a name, I'd think of something like Helpful Accident, except it doesn't need to be an accident, just some sort of event that's usually seen as negative.

Helpful Mishap? Blunder? Something like that?

Yeah, something like that. It would probably be better if it was something that could also includes it being deliberate. The cause, not the effect, of course. Although I'm thinking if that's not another trope, like a variant of You Can Keep Her! where it's something intended to be harmful but isn't seen as such by the target.

Given the lack of interest, I say we just cut this.

The name and description are not worth saving and there's barely any wicks.

Yeah, let's put it out of its misery. Cut.

Cut it.

I think leaving it as it is is a better option than cutting it.

How would leaving it as it is help this? I'm not seeing it.

It would help more than cutting it, since that means getting rid of a perfectly workable trope.

It's in dire need of a new name, new description, and cleanup of examples (at least some of them are blatantly wrong, such as the MS T3k one).

Ideally it would be sent to YKTTW, but if someone doesn't want to do that, I just say cut.

Well, just leaving it alone won't fix the lacking description, low wick count, and the bad trope name.

Only either a YKTTW or an outright cut will be best to solve all these problems. Though I will stick to the latter; it doesn't seem tropeworthy.

Getting a crowner set up to decide how to handle this.

This seems tropeworthy to me, it just needs some love. To wit, doesn't this cover almost every instance of Are you kidding me? I'm glad someone called me out of that boring meeting! or Don't worry about calling me up to fix your printer. Alice was driving me crazy with stories about her cat.

I agree that the title could use some work, because right now it feels very non-indicative. The trope is for when people are glad someone intervenes/interferes or otherwise bother them. The word 'okay' doesn't jive with that. Until I read the trope description, I assumed the trope reflected a stock response to someone apologizing profusely.

If, instead, this were called "Thanks for interfering" or somesuch, this would see more use.

edited 2nd Jan '16 2:24:42 PM by Freshmeat

I concur; this definitely seems salvageable.

It might be.

Except no one is doing anything about it. Unless someone volunteers to take it through YKTTW, then essentially the options are cut or leave it as-is. My preference is to send it to YKTTW, but unless someone is volunteering to do that, I'd rather cut it than leave it as-is. Someone can always make it later.

I'll go ahead and call the crowner in favor of sending the trope to YKTTW.

Whoever does the honors, post it here when it's set up.

Since no one stepped up, I'll go ahead and start up the YKTTW.

And here it is: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=8h0anslq79dppm5lous4l6d9

Now we will need to dewick and cutlist.