Suicide Squad Movie

Perhaps WB could release the Director's Cut of Suicide Squad? It wouldn't take much trouble.

I don't see why not. Even with the rep it would give them, that's still a potentially better version of the film we'll have at the end of the day.

For what I see, is pretty much a whole diferent movie, things like Harley saying his pudin is gone wont work with Joker showing alive later, is not like ultimate cut of Bv S that extended the whole thing

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Continuing:

• There's another small engagement in the building, unlike in the film.
  • Boomerang uses his explosive boomerangs in this extra scuffle.
  • In this instance, with some more prodding from Deadshot, and a soldier dying at his feet while looking at him, Diablo finally decides to fight, and burns down every enemy combatant.
    • The novel again makes the point that he's not fully in control of his powers because he couldn't turn off all his heat after killing the enemies. Harley manages to talk him down and calm him enough that the flames turned off.
  • After the battle ends, Deadshot notes the enemy is getting easier to take down, and posits maybe it's because they're being made too quickly now to combat the Skwad and the SEA Ls. This would explain why they were dropping much easier in the film by the tail end.
• Next they're at the stairs leading to Waller's office, much like in the film. Harley has her flashback like the film and it plays out pretty much the same.
  • Joker was thinking to himself that he wanted her to die in the acid, but at the last minute he decides to save her because he realizes as she's drowning that he's in love with her. After he pulls her out, he laughs, gives her mouth to mouth and then says he's still got years of humiliation to give her.
• Flag enters the room to meet Waller like in the movie, but their conversation is expanded. Flag suggests they just pull out and nuke the fuck out of the city, but Waller says that was one of their first actions, but the missiles are now in the floating ring of trash because they couldn't even get close. Rest is the same as the movie
• Rooftop scene, same as the movie.
  • Joker's helicopter approaches, plays out the same as the movie.
  • Waller offers Deadshot a reward for killing Harley, like in the movie. Turns out the bullet only missed Harley's ear by an inch. The Squad congratulates Deadhsot on his "accidental" miss like in the movie.
  • Boomerang is frustrated because they started with 6 members, but now there's only 4 of them. A funny little thing here is none of them can even remember Slipknot's name. "Slipshod," for example, was one of their guesses at his name.
  • Back to Harley and Joker on the carrier. Harley tries to embrace Joker, but he's not having any of it and pushes her away. He's angry that he had to go through all of this just to save her.
  • Waller has them shot down, and it plays out exactly like the movie, meaning he did not try to push her out of the carrier; she just fell out. Anyway, Waller leaves when her carrier arrives, like in the movie.
  • We cut to Joker next, who's standing atop a building. He had jumped out of the carrier while it was plummeting. Turns out it crashed into a bank, and Joker just stands there laughing at all the burning money. He's the only survivor... meaning Frost died in the carrier. He thinks he has to find Harley no matter what, and we find out he loves her because everyday with her is like "running through a shifting minefield" and it "keeps him stimulated," but he stayed focused because he knew one day he would strangle the life out of her.
• Waller crashes like in the movie.
  • Flag and the Squad decide to go for her.

ACT 3 - The Gods

• To Enchantress. She gets her heart back as her soldiers and Incubus force Waller to open the box containing said heart. Enchantress mindprobes Amanda with the tentacles, like the film after some banter between the two.
• Deadshot finds the binder with all the information, same like the movie. Main difference is it's GQ that tells Flag to come clean about everything because they deserve to know the truth after everything they'd been through.
  • He tells them this whole thing started three days ago when Incubus started rampaging through the city. He blasted away the city's militia and army ranges couldn't do anything to him. Waller reasoned that maybe Enchantress could be useful here, so that's the mission she sends him and June on.
  • Flag is showing them photos as he tells them what happened. Harley sees pictures of him and June, and based on their body language, she makes fun of Flag for being in love and being a bad boy.
  • Flag continues his story. Enchantress takes over June after Flag asks June to let her out so they can do the mission. The plan is to set the bomb for 2 seconds, then Enchantress will teleport to within inches of the monster and then teleport back, which Waller thinks should be enough to kill it. Enchantress says she could give Rick the world, but he refuses. She kisses him and presses the bomb close to his chest and then poofs away. Flag quickly disarms the bomb.
  • Flag calls Waller. Waller stabs the heart repeatedly.
  • Enchantress goes to Incubus, like in the movie.
    • As you can see, the key difference is in placement. In the film, we get shown this pretty early into the run time, but here we're being told all this stuff at the start of the third act. The novel plays the eyes of the adversary and the Incubus stuff in Midway as kind of a mystery, keeping us as much in the dark as the Skwad is.
• Back to the present. Unlike the movie, the Skwad verbally decide they have to fight Incubus and Enchantress, but like the movie, Deadshot says he needs a drink because if he's gonna die, he'd rather do it while sloshed. The Skwad follow him, and Flag tries to stop them like in the movie ("Deadshot, I need your help!"), but Deadshot says he doesn't need help; he needs a miracle.
• In the bar (they picked the lock to get in), Harley is doing the bartending. She says bartending is what got her through grad school without having to take out a student loan. She guesses what drinks each of the Skwad members like, based on her interactions with them.
  • She tries to guess Boomerang, but she's wrong. He wants an ale. Deadshot takes straight bourbon. Croc reluctantly takes a beer (he wants to not have his senses impaired given the situation they're in). Diablo just wants water.
  • They discuss the nature of bad guys and good guys. Basically Written by the Winners gets brought up, and how from their own perspective they're the good guys, etc.
  • Harley takes a selfie with Diablo. He's starting to really open up to them.

That's where I stopped today.

edited 21st Sep '16 10:40:44 PM by Cruherrx

I really do want a Director's cut for Suicide Squad.

Give it to us WB, give it to us.

They should have never cut down the bar scene. All that stuff was in the trailer, but not in the actual movie and it sounds so much better. Expanding the bar scene would have expanded their characters and allowed the decision to fight make much more sense.

True, it's an ensemble picture. In any movie where half the story is recruiting a bunch of guys, they all have to do something cool by the end. The Seven Samurai, Ocean's Eleven, The Italian Job/Gone In Sixty Seconds/The Fast and the Furious... That's non-negotiable.

And the thing is, I feel like those scenes were filmed. You can feel it when they cut something in the movie. Which is what makes me keep wondering if there's not actually a pretty good movie to be had on the cutting room floor.

Those scenes were filmed — we saw some of them in the trailers. Which is weird because apparently the people who cut the trailers also did a cut of the film, so you would think they would leave those scenes in the actual film.

..Not sure why I said it that way. What I meant to say is more along the lines of, 'I could feel the spaces where those filmed scenes would have been.' Even just watching the movie, having deliberately avoided most of the hype and press material, there are just elements of scenes and characters that feel like they're building on something else.

Frost died in the carrier explosion. Only Joker made it out.

I really liked Frost.

Frost was pretty cool. He had a few more scenes in the book too.

The trailers point to Katana being possessed by Enchantress and there being a threeway fight between the Squad, Katana and Enchantress, and Joker. That would have been cool.

Which one? lol

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It sounds like the Joker in the novel mirrors a lot of Marv Wolfman himself writing the Joker in the arc that brought him back after his apparent demise in Death in the Family. He was similarly troubled and conflicted inside, with a noticeable weaker psychological side, in there too.

Between this, and the other stuff about Joker, this sounds like how he should be. I liked the idea that he genuinely cared for Harley, but it's good that....well, he's still Joker. Even when he cares....it's not a good thing. For him, that kind of shit is love.

So yeah, sounds about right.

It sounds a lot like the Joker from Emperor Joker, actually. In that story, he genuinely loved her...enough to turn her into a constellation.

I don't think we've gotten direct word of god from Paul Dini or Bruce Timm on their feelings towards post-release Suicide Squad, but Kevin Smith said he saw the film with Dini and both were surprised at how much they ended up caring about Harley and her relationship with Joker. It's dysfunctional and screwed up beyond all hell, sure, but you are definitely thinking more Birds of a Feather than What Does She See in Him? Especially notable as traditionally Joker is never actually nice to Harley except to lure her back into being a henchman. I personally thought it was an interesting approach and reflects actual abusive relationships, which are often more like 90 percent love and affection and 10 percent abuse. I also really liked the "cartel leader husband and wife" approach, that Joker is already an unstable individual but if you cross his girl in any way that brings utter hell upon you. His search for Harley evoked a violently jealous boyfriend.

On a similar note, I noticed on my second viewing of Suicide Squad that when we saw pictures of Leto as Joker everyone thought it was absurdly over-the-top, but the club scene had all sorts of similarly tattoo'd and pierced characters wandering around with garish clothing and Joker looked distinctive but surprisingly natural in that environment.

The version in the actual film:

We did get Paul Dini's opinion. He thought it was great and that Margot Robbie was perfect.

edited 22nd Sep '16 10:17:58 PM by Cruherrx

And now the final part:

• Deadshot empties the bottle of bourbon.
  • Diablo asks him how many people he's killed. Deadshot tells him he doesn't keep count, etc. Same conversation as the movie. Only new tidbit is Diablo's wife's name is Grace.
  • In this version, Flag not only places the detonator on the counter, he disables the neck bombs and smashes it. Rest is the same as the movie, including Boomerang running out the moment Flag does that.
• As the Squad is walking through the street, Boomerang rejoins them like in the movie, saying "I hate you guys..."
  • They scope out the Eyes of the Adversary like in the movie. Difference is here GQ suggests they get the bomb in the subway, unlike in the movie where it's Flag's plan.
• As they're sneaking into where Enchantress is, Flag and Deadshot talk about love. Touching stuff.
  • They arrive in the tunnel where Enchantress and Incubus are. Deadshot tells Flag to go kiss his girl, unlike the movie where he says "smack her on her ass". Rest is exactly like the movie.
• Enchantress gives them the visions. Only differences are:
  • It's revealed Harley's named "Harley Ker," and is married to "Joe Ker".
  • Boomerang gets a vision. He's out in the Australian Outback, sitting cross-legged with his boomerangs burning in a fire behind him. He's finally at peace.
  • Diablo breaks free, like in the movie, but the novel states the act of him breaking free is how the others break free of their illusions too.
    • Diablo yells at Enchantress that like him, she shouldn't be here [the planet; Earth; among mortals etc] either. Enchantress asks if they are friends or foes. Rest plays out like the film.
• We cut to GQ and his 2 remaining SEA Ls. Flag tells him to get the bomb ready via walky-talky. GQ's 2 guys die in battle against the EA down there, but Croc shows up to help and saves GQ.
• Back to the room. Incubus and Diablo start their fight. Ends with Incubus kicking him away like in the movie, knocking him briefly unconscious.
• Back to GQ and Croc. GQ is thinking about how wrong he was about KC, and is trying to remember the name he read on file for him, because it isn't right to keep calling him like he's a monster. He remember's Croc's file that said his name is "Waylon Jones," and that he suffers from a special string of genetic atavism, which makes him more crocodilian in appearance.
  • Croc saves GQ from another EA attack, taking on a whole horde of them by himself. GQ takes this chance to go for the bomb.
• Back to Incubus, who is demolishing the Squad and reveling in it since it's the first time he's gotten a chance to flex his muscles in 4000 years.
  • Diablo, for the first time in his life, fully embraces his power and transforms.
    • Diablo is beating the shit out of Incubus, and it's stated it's because Incubus has never had to fight someone on par with him. He didn't know the first thing about a real fight. But as Diablo's successes mount, his anger is fading, which means his demon form is getting weaker. It's playing out pretty much exactly like the movie, with Diablo luring him to the spot he needs to be at.
• GQ thinks it's fine that it's going to play out like this. At least he's saving the world. GQ detonates the bomb, killing himself, Incubus and Diablo.
• Back to the battle, unlike in the movie, turns out Incubus is still alive. Well, just his decapitated head. Katana sees he's still alive and jams Soultaker into his skull, killing him and absorbing his soul.
  • Enchantress freaks out even worse than in the movie. Her eyes become red and the death of her brother causes her immense pain, physically and emotionally.
  • Her machine starts blasting satellites and bases.
• To the White house, they're planning on nuking Enchantress, but they realize that it would be pointless because the nuke wouldn't even get close, like the first batch they fired.
• Fight plays out exactly like the movie, with her going back to her feral form and teleporting around kicking their asses. They eventually beat her with Harley cutting out her heart with Soultaker. Exactly the same as the movie.
  • Enchantress begs them to turn on Flag after Flag stops Katana from killing her and uniting her with her brother. Enchantress says she wouldn't cage them, unlike the soldier and his master. Rest is the same as the movie.
• The ending is exactly the same, down to Joker breaking Harley out at the end.
  • Croc got offered a bigger cell, but he prefers his swampy cell. He gets better food now.
  • Boomerang destroys everything in his room in fits of rage. The guards come and replace his smashed up stuff when he calms down. Waller instructed them to do this just to piss him off.

And that's all the differences between the novel and the movie.

Damn, I wish we got to see Boomerang's vision in the film. Also, I wish we actually got a real reason why he rejoins the Squad after running away.

In the comics, Captain Boomerang is cowardly, but he also isn't afraid to fight people, he just uses smarter tactics. In their first mission in Ostrander's Suicide Squad, the Squad goes up against a group called the Jihad and Captain Boomerang's role is to take down one of the members of the Jihad who happens to be a speedster. Boomerang distracts him with, well, a boomerang and then kicks him off of a roof — and while the Flash is fast enough to make a cyclone to soften his landing, this speedster isn't. "Guess yer just weren't in ol' Flashie's class, myte. Sure as hell weren't in mine."

I like that. It gives a point to bringing up the story behind Katana's sword.

I like the novelization a lot more than the movie. The only thing the movie kick's the novel's ass at is the depiction of certain characters, namely Waller, Joker and Deadshot, and that's because Viola Davis, Jared Leto and Will Smith are such phenomenal actors.

@Cruherxx Mind if I post these differences on Reditt ? I'll credit you as the actual compiler of course.

I don't need credit. Do whatever you want.