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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#1: Nov 5th 2014 at 8:11:49 AM

The main page is full of Zero Context Examples.

Heck, look under any folder, and you'd just see "screamings" of the work names.

I think the problem's too obvious for a wick check on the main page, but I can do it, if I still need to.

lexicon Since: May, 2012
#2: Nov 5th 2014 at 8:40:22 PM

Does "The name of the work is screamed at you," really need a page? The little description doesn't say much more than that.

MrL1193 Since: Apr, 2013
#3: Nov 5th 2014 at 9:11:24 PM

The fact that I honestly can't think of anything to say about most examples I've seen makes me question whether or not this is actually a trope.

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#4: Nov 5th 2014 at 9:57:09 PM

To me, it's a trope the same way Excited Show Title's a trope: To get viewers hyped about the work when they watch it.

MrL1193 Since: Apr, 2013
#5: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:08:03 PM

[up] That one's suffering from the exact same problems, though.

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#6: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:11:13 PM

The problem is most of the examples are not screaming. They are 'any title drop in the cold open or opening theme song.' Now that in of itself is a trope but not this one and certainly not this name.

An obvious example would be the Turn A Gundam example on the page, here is the opening for the series does it have the Title Drop? Yes. Screaming? No. It is about as monotone as you can get. Quite a few others too especially in the anime section fall under this in addition to the Zero Content Example.

Edit: [up] That trope seems fine, the examples are self explanatory there isn't much you can add to that.

edited 5th Nov '14 10:17:05 PM by Memers

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#7: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:12:36 PM

[up][up]The difference, however, is that the fact that it's a title trope means that it doesn't count as an Zero Context Example if you were to just list the trope name.

The fact that the reasoning behind the trope that I've mentioned isn't in its description, however, is an easy-to-fix problem.

This trope, in contrast, technically isn't a title trope in that it's not a way in which the trope title's constructed (unlike Excited Show Title). Rather, it's about a work's title being shouted within the show's opening sequence (or something).

[up][nja]

edited 5th Nov '14 10:16:06 PM by KarjamP

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#8: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:28:57 PM

Looking through the list I am really going to say we should rename this and expand the description which would curb the ZCE as well as elaborate on the current examples list.

Renaming it to Title Announcement would work and have it cover Title Drops made in the opening segment and opening theme song but no yelling required. This would help in the fact that the examples would feel the need to say where the Title Drop appeared whether it is said by an announcer ala Smash Bros or in a lyric in the "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune song like Mobile Suit Gundam, Pretty Cure Splash Star and the like.

I actually wouldn't be opposed to including the outtro and episode previews too like the famous 'Next time on Dragon Ball Z'

edited 5th Nov '14 10:36:58 PM by Memers

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#9: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:36:13 PM

I think there's definitely a trope here, but the description needs expanding and the examples need rewriting so that they're more than just a bunch of ZCE's. We should also clear up whether the trope is only about the title being yelled during the opening sequence, or if being yelled at any point during the work counts. The description says the former, but several of the examples are the latter. Personally, I don't see any reason why we shouldn't use the wider definition, but that's just me.

And for the record, with the Turn A Gundam example, the beginning of the opening title says "Turn A Gundam" really deadpan, but the song ends by (repeatedly) yelling "Turn A!" at you.

edited 5th Nov '14 10:38:08 PM by NativeJovian

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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#11: Nov 5th 2014 at 10:57:44 PM

[up][up] Damnit I linked the wrong video this is what I meant to link this is the real Title Drop the entry is talking about and that is about as monotone as you can get.

Anyway a partial one really shouldn't count unless we are talking about official series nicknames.

Maybe split this?

  • Screaming the title at any point in the show
  • Title or Franchise drop in the Cold Open, opening theme lyric, announcer yada and maybe ending theme and outtro
    • A sub trope would be 'Last Time On X' type opens, which I assume exists under another name

edited 5th Nov '14 11:19:51 PM by Memers

KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#12: Nov 5th 2014 at 11:15:01 PM

[up]What makes "Screaming the title at any point in the show" different than Title Drop, other than the fact that it involves screaming?

Anyway, I support repurposing this trope as "Title or Franchise drop in the Cold Open, opening theme lyric, announcer yada and maybe ending theme and outtro, probably should exclude any 'Last Time On X' examples though now that I think about it."

edited 5th Nov '14 11:16:01 PM by KarjamP

MrL1193 Since: Apr, 2013
#13: Nov 5th 2014 at 11:20:44 PM

I can see well enough that screaming the title during the intro can be a way to get people pumped up, but how exactly is that going to translate into examples with actual context? It seems like there's a problem somewhere if the trope is so inflexible that every instance of it is functionally identical to the point that there's nothing more to be said.

Also, I agree that Title Drop already has in-show instances covered.

NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
Jupiterian Local
#14: Nov 5th 2014 at 11:22:43 PM

I think "the show screams it at you" is sufficiently distinct from a vanilla Title Drop that it's worth a subtrope.

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KarjamP The imaginative Christian Asperger from South Africa Since: Apr, 2011 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The imaginative Christian Asperger
#15: Nov 5th 2014 at 11:35:34 PM

[up]How so?

Not a rhetorical question - I just want to know why you think so.

edited 5th Nov '14 11:36:20 PM by KarjamP

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#16: Nov 5th 2014 at 11:46:29 PM

Just saying the shows name is really enough, screaming is just a possible bonus. Saying a show's name is really a relic to the days when every show had an announcer and TV Guide or info buttons didn't exist. gotta let the viewers know what show it is. It is still standard with talk shows. and lower budget shows IE Everyone know what time it is? It's Tool Time.". Screaming is usually just an attempt to pump up the Taped Before A Studio Audience for the clapping and laughing.

Lyric title drops in the OP are pretty much the same way but a huge sign of a "Do It Yourself" Theme Tune and promotes the series outside of the OP due to it gets played on the radio C Ds and yada.

edited 5th Nov '14 11:49:26 PM by Memers

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#17: Dec 6th 2014 at 2:21:49 AM

Clock is set.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Dec 10th 2014 at 4:11:06 AM

Clock is up with no progress; closing this.

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