Follow TV Tropes

Following

French Politics

Go To

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#651: Jan 9th 2017 at 6:54:25 AM

Without any clue, I'm guessing maybe the administrative part?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#652: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:13:16 AM

As a bureaucrat in training; administration, procurement (which is quickly becoming my field of expertisetongue) and interdepartmental/intergovernmental management are usual suspects. But a lot of those issues are structural.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#653: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:14:06 AM

Also, too many administration cost cuts render government incompetent or corrupt.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#655: Jan 9th 2017 at 7:42:38 AM

What about graft, corruption, and inefficiency?

I am told that one of the most cost-effective things a government can do is increase the tax inspection force. They bring in a lot more money than they cost.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#656: Jan 9th 2017 at 8:14:09 AM

[up][up][up]Possibly a feature and not a bug.

Allows for further cuts and privatization down the line.

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#657: Jan 9th 2017 at 8:15:32 AM

Fillon is also sympathetic to Putin, albeit less so than Le Pen. Another reason not to pick between the two.

math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#658: Jan 9th 2017 at 8:21:11 AM

'Cutting bloated public sector' is generally right-wing/liberal speech for 'cut social services to the bone and keep all the inefficient government administrators.' It's not actually about reducing bloat, it's just about 'saving up' government funds to waste on tax breaks for the wealthy because something something trickle down economics voodoo something something.

edited 9th Jan '17 8:21:27 AM by math792d

Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Zarastro Since: Sep, 2010
#659: Jan 10th 2017 at 7:25:00 AM

Does any one of the (realistic) candidates for the presidency actually support the sanctions against Russia? Fillon and MLP have spoken in favour of ending the sanctions, what do other candidates think about it?

IFwanderer use political terms to describe, not insult from Earth Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
use political terms to describe, not insult
#660: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:11:47 AM

Mélenchon was also pro-Russia, right?

1 2 We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be. -KV
Nithael Since: Jan, 2001
#661: Jan 10th 2017 at 8:51:45 AM

He's a good little tankie, yes. He mentioned several times that it's unfair to condemn Russia's intervention in Syria and Crimea (the latter of which was only done to protect the innocents from the neo-nazis putsch) and that sanctions against Russia are pointless, so yeah.

Emmanuel Macron (independent) said last month that he wanted to decrease the sanctions, though he clarified that unlike the others he didn't consider himself a friend of Russia.

I don't consider anyone else, especially from PS, to be a candidate worth discussing.

edited 10th Jan '17 8:54:18 AM by Nithael

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#662: Jan 10th 2017 at 11:53:46 AM

Does MLP have either the intention or the credibility to run a left-wing economic programme?

Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#663: Jan 10th 2017 at 1:20:32 PM

The Quotidien guest yesterday wrote about MLP's mindset. For him, everything she does is about getting elected, and her "left-wing" economic program (at least something looking like that) was added because she was convinced her father's positions (who was even more pro-free-market than Fillon) couldn't get you elected - that, and racism, antisemitism or homophobia.

Which is why, now, she only implies her islamophobia or antisemitism in her speeches. She won't say that "the World is ran by greedy jews", she will say that "rich people in New York rule the world", and let her voters connect the dots.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#664: Jan 10th 2017 at 3:06:49 PM

So she's started to use the same dogwhistles as (U.S.) Republicans. I'm guessing the Trump strategy of doing away with them wouldn't do well in France (which is why she distanced herself from her father in the first place).

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#665: Jan 10th 2017 at 6:29:29 PM

Is the French media pointing out that she's using dogwhistles? That's what's screwing us up here in America: the US media refuses to point out the obvious.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#666: Jan 10th 2017 at 10:18:03 PM

I'm not sure we have a concept of dogwhistles in politics here. Or even a word for it, because the literal translation doesn't have quite the punch of "dogwhistle".

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#667: Jan 11th 2017 at 5:02:54 AM

Well, how about "bullshit" then? Is there any general French media saying that?

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#669: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:45:45 AM

[up] Well, he probably just wanted to be actually understood. There's a higher chance of everybody in the room understanding English than of everyobdy understanding (or even speaking) French.

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#670: Jan 11th 2017 at 6:48:31 AM

Wow, the way they sound in this article, they'd be equally pissed if he had spoken German. In Germany.grin

Sad part is, how many people will eat that up?sad

English is the "international" language now, guys. Get over it. This reminds me of that old Esperanto controversy where prominent esperantists like Henri Masson demanded the head of a journalist who had dared to say English was more useful to travelers than Esperanto...

edited 11th Jan '17 6:52:59 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
Khudzlin Since: Nov, 2013
#672: Jan 11th 2017 at 7:36:23 AM

@Drunken Nordmann I'm sure you're right about why he spoke English, especially if he doesn't speak German that well (or at all). I'm also sure Medinoc is right that the far-right would have jumped on him if he had spoken German. However, the stereotype is stronger for English, given the long rivalry between France and England.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#673: Jan 11th 2017 at 7:41:25 AM

French is the Trope Namer for Lingua Franca. Vestigial Empire butthurt ensues when they are reminded that it isn't so anymore.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#674: Jan 11th 2017 at 8:07:53 AM

[up]Actually Lingua Franca originally did not refer to French but to a hodge podge of varies words spoken by "Franks" (Western Europeans) when making deals with people in the eastern mediterranean (Greeks, Arabs, Turks, other peoples of the Levant).

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#675: Jan 11th 2017 at 9:19:19 AM

[up]Translation: before the French branch of Franks got all Romantic because they did the Norman thing of moving south and switching languages... Franken was a Germanic language.

Complaining about Frank descendants speaking Germanic or Anglo-Norman derived languages = same old family squabble over who inherits Charlemagne's sliver. tongue

You'd think we'd get over it by now. It's been over a millennium, people. -_- Heck, none of our cultures are what they used to be, and the dude would have major trouble recognising any of them. <_<


Total posts: 5,132
Top