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MissMokushiroku Ace Gamer from Atlanta, Georgia, USA Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#1: Sep 7th 2014 at 6:23:48 PM

This title makes literally no sense. None whatsoever. The trope has nothing to do with a game having a limited number of helmets to wear (which wouldn't be a trope anyway); it's about games with Character Customization "invalidating" the work you put into creating your character's face by making you wear face-concealing helmets. The game could have a theoretically infinite number of helmets and still fall under this trope.

In short, it's a snowclone of Only Six Faces that doesn't take into account that the two tropes don't have as much to do with each other than the title implies.

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#2: Sep 7th 2014 at 7:42:11 PM

Only 10 wicks and 19 inbounds in almost 4 years of shelf life...not doing so hot. I agree that the name is completely unindicative.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#3: Sep 7th 2014 at 7:49:36 PM

If you know about Only Six Faces it makes sense. But that shouldn't be a requirement in the first place.

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#4: Sep 8th 2014 at 5:50:42 AM

There's a phrase in the descripton, "Wasted Customization", that seems like a better name than the current. Either way, the page should be retitled.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#6: Sep 8th 2014 at 12:17:42 PM

I like Wasted Customisation too. Lack of use is enough of a reason to rename it for me.

edited 8th Sep '14 12:18:14 PM by AnotherDuck

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NativeJovian Jupiterian Local from Orlando, FL Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#7: Sep 8th 2014 at 4:58:19 PM

Concealed Customization or Concealed Customized Character would work, if you're into Added Alliterative Appeal.

Should this apply to games that have character editors that are (or can be) played largely or entirely in first person, so even if you're not wearing concealing equipment, you still won't see much of your character?

edited 8th Sep '14 5:19:44 PM by NativeJovian

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#8: Sep 8th 2014 at 7:00:39 PM

Not sure. For instance, I wouldn't quite put Fallout 3 in that category, since at least from my experience I didn't feel like I was losing out on it. Well, for that reason, anyway, since it still has the helmets thing.

However, if the game is set up so that you very rarely see it, without options that would allow it, then it would probably fit.

edited 8th Sep '14 7:01:52 PM by AnotherDuck

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#9: Sep 9th 2014 at 3:57:53 AM

I'd say include all customization you can't see much if at all outside the character editor. Whether players are bothered by it or not is YMMV and not relevant. But it should count only if the game is first-person only. If its optional then its the players own choice to see their character or not.

What about multiplayer games? A custom character may be as much for the other players to see than yourself. On the other hand, its probably highly genre-dependent how much players look at eachother's characters. For example a typical FPS player probably doesn't bother to look past the team colors.

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#10: Sep 9th 2014 at 4:51:45 AM

Funny you should use "bother" in two ways, in opposite examples. Anyway, not bothering to look closer isn't relevant, I think. You still have the option. And I'd exclude multiplayer games, since customisation is in large to differentiate you from others and to show who you are (or pretend to be, at any rate), to an extent. Unless they still fall under the helmets clause, since then no one can see the characters' face anyway.

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#11: Sep 10th 2014 at 6:11:06 AM

Yeah, it sounds like the trope is "character customization that's never, or at least rarely, seen by anyone". If the player can see it on a regular basis (even if they choose not to) it doesn't count; if other players can see it on a regular basis, it doesn't count.

I would move away from the "helmets" language, though — there are some games (like the more recent Halo multiplayers, for example) where choosing what type of completely-body-concealing armor you're wearing is the character customization.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#12: Sep 10th 2014 at 7:58:17 AM

Or racing games where you can customise your racer's helmet.

However, I find it a good analogue for the trope when the customisation is covered (rather than simply not shown on-screen), and that wouldn't apply to Halo, since you can presumably see people's armours.

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#13: Oct 10th 2014 at 6:34:09 AM

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#14: Oct 10th 2014 at 6:55:17 AM

Rename is good, I like Obscured Customization.

But I think redesigning/rewriting it slightly as well would be even better though. Games that force you to wear stuff over cosmetic gear or customized facial features because of stats is really the heart of this trope. This goes for pretty much any obscuring object, like you can buy shirts in World Of Warcraft but to see em on your character you have to take off your chest armor and you are hampered by not having those stats.

Some games have options in menus to expose customization and I think it would be good to list those forced aversions here too. IE early Bioware games like Mass Effect 1 had this problem in any cutscene with helmets. It was such a big deal in ME 1 that in 2 and 3 they gave an option in the menu to turn off helmet in cutscenes or just altogether. And World Of Warcraft added an option to turn off Helmet and Cloak somewhere around The Burning Crusade.

edited 10th Oct '14 8:52:00 AM by Memers

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#15: Oct 23rd 2014 at 2:39:30 AM

Called the rename crowner at 14-2 in favour of a rename, and switched it out for an Alt Names crowner.

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#16: Nov 23rd 2014 at 1:41:32 AM

Votes bump!

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#18: Dec 13th 2014 at 4:45:50 AM

Rename executed. Any thoughts on the description, or can this be closed?

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#19: Dec 15th 2014 at 6:36:05 AM

I think it needs some work, to cull the redirects if nothing else. Lemme play around with it a bit.

EDIT: How's this?

Many Video Games offer a wide range of customization options for character heads and faces, such as a palette of pre-made faces, or, like many newer games, being able to change single elements of the face with sliders, thereby making it theoretically possible to create thousands of different faces. However, this can be rendered useless the first time the player finds a helmet, as it will cover the character's face entirely. Of course, you can choose to ditch the helmet, but depending on the difficulty of the game and the usefulness of the helmet, this may be a bad idea.

Averting this is one of the Acceptable Breaks from Reality (because not wearing a helm in real combat is pretty dumb); see Helmets Are Hardly Heroic.

Note that this does not apply if there is no Character Customization. This is solely about customization being covered up by game items. It also applies to a customized hairstyle or anything else that's immediately covered by armor.

Many games allow you to toggle your helmet showing up, so you can still gain the benefit, without obscuring your character.

edited 15th Dec '14 6:44:04 AM by Willbyr

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#20: Nov 2nd 2015 at 7:48:31 AM

I like that description much better than what is currently there.

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#21: Nov 2nd 2015 at 3:25:25 PM

I can't think of anything that needs to be added or deleted, so I say go with it.

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#22: Nov 3rd 2015 at 5:44:39 PM

I like that description as well.[tup]

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#23: Nov 29th 2015 at 9:34:41 AM

As no one has voiced objections, I went ahead and made the description adjustment. We should be set now.

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#24: Dec 13th 2015 at 3:33:43 PM

Putting this to sleep.

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