I guess I would support redifining Unfrozen Cave Man Lawyer as a subcategory of fish out of water specific to people displaced in time, if that is a possibility (it would probably take a lot of work to re-write the description and cut all of the examples that don't fit the trope's new definition.)
If that is not feasible, then I'd agree that merging is the way to go.
As mentioned before, I'm in favor of merging and keeping the title "The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer." "Like a Fish Takes to Water" implies that the character is being returned to a familiar setting, not being transplanted to a new and strange setting but taking to it better than they did to their familiar one.
Er, no, it doesn't. That's not how that idiom is used in English at all. Like a Fish Takes to Water is an idiom used to describe how well a person picks up a NEW skill. It's not a phrase we invented. It's part of the English language we are using exactly how English uses it.
The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer on the other hand is made up gobbledygook for something that there's already a term for in English.
edited 20th Mar '15 9:36:22 AM by shimaspawn
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^ I can honestly say that I've never heard that idiom outside of this site. I assumed it was a variation on "like a fish out of water," an idiom that means being placed in a strange or unfamiliar situation and not thriving.
Do you have some outside citation showing its general use outside this site? A quick Google search mostly turns up the idiom "like a duck takes to water," which would make more sense than "fish" in this case, considering that fish are born, live, and die in the water and never leave it during the ordinary course of events, whereas a duck is born on land and takes to the water later in life.
A merge and name change to "Like a Duck Takes to Water," with The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer and Like a Fish Takes to Water both retained as redirects, may be a good compromise.
edited 20th Mar '15 1:25:39 PM by hbi2k
Whoops, you're right. I was mistaken. Sorry. The phase is Like a Duck Takes to Water and it would be the best choice for this trope.
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Do you guys think a crowner's necessarily to decide what ultimately happens with these two tropes?
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Merge and rename to Like a Duck Takes to Water?
edited 22nd Dec '15 8:59:42 AM by crazysamaritan
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If we need a crowner, here it is
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edited 25th Dec '15 6:29:17 AM by Lymantria
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All three of those tropes look like the same thing.
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I noticed that the crowner I made is now attached.
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The crowner's been running for 6 days, we've got a clear winner so should we close it and star this thread? (Or if it has to be attached for at least 3 days, close it on Monday since 3 days after the hook is a weekend).
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I don't think we've got enough votes to make a call on this even though the consensus is in favor of the action.
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We definitely need more consensus.
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Yeah, we don't tend to call without at least 15 votes.
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We'll wait for 1 more vote since there's currently 14.
edited 2nd Jan '16 7:19:29 AM by Lymantria
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Calling crowner in favour of merging Like a Fish Takes to Water and The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer into Like a Duck Takes to Water and keeping both old names as redirects.
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Pages merged, but examples need checking for duplicates and wicks need fixing to the new name.
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I fixed all of the wicks from both of the redirects. So, I suppose we are done.
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Are the discussion pages moved and the notification on the discussion page done?
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Wait, forgot about that, sorry. I'll do that now.
edited 15th Feb '16 8:17:08 AM by MacronNotes
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Seems like the note here is amiss or I am not searching right.
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Will account for the change in the rename thread.
This will also need an entry in Renamed Tropes before we can close this.
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That's done. Sorry for the inconvenience. I haven't done wiki work in a while,.
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What to do with The Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer.
I think we may be in more consensus to merge the true trope.
I wonder which of the two trope titles to keep, however.