Poor Image (caption crowner 20/9/14): Japanese Politeness

The goat image is genuinely amusing to me, and this is one time when I'm perfectly fine with having a pic that may not exactly work for the trope but gets by on humor value, especially paired with that caption suggestion.

To be perfectly honest, the goat image doesn't exactly have me rolling on the floor in laughter. I don't personally feel that the payoff is enough to justify the sacrifice in illustrativeness.

That's exactly how I feel about it. I've been told time and time again that the priority is Clear Concise Witty, in that order, and this pic only works in the reverse order for me.

For what it's worth, currently the goat image has superior agreement. Also, a capion may be able to fix part of the issues.

Given that illustrates means showing with a picture rather than explaining with text, Goat illustrates better for me, even not counting the humour value. We want an image, not a quotation in comic form.

Are there any other suggestions? I like the bowing but to a goat seems silly.

Note that the people who like it see the goat bowing also. Guess that is not apparent enough.

edited 2nd Sep '14 11:08:45 AM by rodneyAnonymous

That suggested picture does not look to me like a person bowing to a goat. It looks like a person leaning down to take a closer look at the goat. And I don't see the slightest indication of the goat bowing. Even if the goat is bowing, that is irrelevant, because the trope isn't about animals but about people.

BTW, all the diagrams I've seen of Japanese bowing etiquette suggest that the arms are completely wrong for this to be an example of proper bowing. So if this were supposed to be a bow, the sloppiness of it would be Japanese rudeness, not politeness.

Bowing for women◊

Another version showing men and women◊

See also.

edited 8th Sep '14 5:41:47 AM by Catbert

Ok, I like Catbert's first and second version. The illustration of the precise angle for each bow works. The first is good because the annotations show that each different bow has a different name, the second is good because it shows the difference in arm and hand position between men and women.

I find that having a diagram of bowing makes it seem like it's all about bowing, rather than having a pic showing a situation of someone bowing.

I like 33.1. I mean, different names for different depths of bowing? That implies a pretty complex system of etiquette.

Crowner?

Woman wearing kimono bowing◊

Getting a Referral Denied. But using the link directly gives a somewhat subpar image, I'd say.

If we do the bowing angles, the caption I would use it: "Trigonometry plays an essential role in Japanese etiquette."

But, yes. This will be impossible without a crowner.

A crowner is up, as well as a tally:

• Girl and Goat◊ is at 6-3 yea/nay.
• Bowing for women (with angles and names)◊ is at 4-3 yea/nay.

All else in red.

Pre-weekend votes bump.

One more votes bump; two in the green, "girl with goat" is the only one with consensus.

For what it's worth, I am sticking with the goat because the other image looks like it puts more emphasis on "bowing" without showing more "politeness".

Well, for better or worse, this one's ready to call. The new pic's up, potholed, and tagged.

Caption or no? I think it needs one for full effect but I don't have any ideas right now.

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edited 18th Sep '14 1:21:03 AM by Willbyr

"Greetings, goat-san! - Greetings, human-san!".

I really like the caption suggestion in @14, but @46 works too.

46

A variant on 46: "Aisatsu, yagi-san!" "Baaaaa!"

My only issue with 46's caption is whether those are the correct honorifics.