Where I live, Fox's sister channels, channel 13 and 6 air classic Simpsons, American Dad, Cleveland Show, and Family guy during the late afternoon/evening on weekdays. They're not kid oriented but their cartoons nonetheless
edited 29th Jul '14 1:31:15 PM by teddy
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How have you fought this fight? I'm just curious.
As to how animation/children's entertainment can return to prominence in broadcast television, I have two ways in how it can happen. 1) The Big Four can allocate some of their budget to allow funding for local affiliates to actually either produce and fund their own E/I programming or to find E/I content they wanted, but normally couldn't afford it with the affiliates' own money. The affiliates can be given the power to greenlight E/I children's show ideas into TV series. The series can air, but not together, after a popular morning/afternoon TV series during the day to maximize ratings (in addition to promoting these shows). The affiliates doing their own E/I content can give the networks the chance to revive their Saturday Morning blocks with new content, if they don't own a children's network (CBS*,NBC** and FOX are such networks), and can provide a mixture of popular/underrated animated shows and new content, but leaning toward new content, if they do own a children's network (ABC being the network) with a good deal of promotion. 2) The broadcast networks can either put their animation/children's entertainment network in the public airwaves (by way of a digital subchannel, or create an animation/children's entertainment network primarily for network television, with promotion from the main networks.
<text> CBS is owned by CBS Corporation, which was created by demerging Viacom into two companies, CBS Corporation and Viacom (which owns Nickelodeon, which you know, is a kids' network) <text><text> NBC is owned by NBC Universal, which owns Sprout (which is a preschooler's network, not a general children's network) EDIT: The dots are the asterisks
edited 3rd May '15 8:44:22 PM by Buzzinator
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By "fighting", I meant contacting a random TV station once a month. (Some programming managers brainstormed the suggestion)
Subchannels... I hadn't thought of that idea. (Qubo is the closest thing, but not all markets have an Ion station)
PBJ is another station, which is only broadcast on low-power stations. The good thing is, its library is fueled by DreamWorks' classic library.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/bring-back-syndicated-and-network-weekday-cartoons.html
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Use [ = <text> = ] (minus the spaces) to make the asterisks not turn into bullets. So...
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*this.
I don't see why we need cartoons on the Big Four anymore. We have literally entire television stations devoted to animation, and most people have cable or satellite these days and thus can access them anytime they want.
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Monkey See, DIC Do
Thank you for the tip, Odd1.
Anyways, about that other sentence. You said, and I'm quoting: "MOST people have cable of satellite these days...", emphasis being mine. There are people in this nation who don't have cable or satellite, for one reason or another, and don't forget those people who cut the cable/satellite cord every year. Because of this, I see a need (at least for these people) the return of cartoons to broadcast television.
Also, some cartoons are mistreated by their networks, so opening up broadcast TV to cartoons in general would allow these cartoons a chance to find a new home for reruns or new episode, as well as a chance to get better treatment.
Or, we can just protest to the FCC to discontinue the E/I crap regulations and they might listen, and allow animation to return to broadcast TV.
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Eh, I'm not really sure there's enough of a demand for that. Regarding people who voluntarily cut the cord, there's always the internet for that, where literally everything ever can be found if it ever existed publicly. For those who don't have it out of reasons of inability to afford it (and don't have the internet as well), there's always a public space where you can log on, like a library, and as long as you have headphones (and don't look up obscene material), you probably won't be bothered by anyone about it.
Either way, I'm pretty sure people who can't afford cable have bigger concerns than not being able to watch cartoons.
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Yeah. I prefer to watch shows on the Internet too. I can watch as much as I want and don't have to sit through cringe-worthy commercials
edited 30th Jul '14 11:00:20 AM by teddy
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Reading Keep Circulating the Tapes...
- YouTube is claiming too many copyrights
- {{Disney is sitting on its ass, not re-releasing most of its programs. Power Rangers and Digimon are exceptions, because they got bought back.
- Cartoon Network erased Time Squad, Whatever Happened To Robot Jones, and Class Of 3000 from its website.
Monkey See, DIC Do
That may happen, but that's not really a reason to put animation back to a prominent place in the airwaves. These three examples are just sad examples of poor treatment of old animated TV series by the studios that produce them. And besides, Odd1 and teddy were right when they said that there are a lot of cartoons legally available online in services such as Netflix and Hulu Plus (which don't charge a lot of money, only $8.99 and $7.99, respectively).
Of course, this doesn't mean that the broadcasters and TV affiliates can slack off when providing animation.
edited 30th Jul '14 3:14:08 PM by Buzzinator
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THE DISGRACE STILL LINGERS UPON ME
It was slacking off in general that caused all of these grievances of TV today - and the rise of the internet as a place to view everything. Yet bigoted corporatist fucks in charge don't seem to get that. If only money wasn't the only thing on their weak, pathetic minds...
They're killjoys, those Corrupt Corporate Executives.
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I was being fucking serious - these people are part of the reason America is a 3rd World nation right now and need to be punished for it.
Even if I had different face, I AM STILL DISGRACED.
The story I've heard about the decline of weekday cartoons and Saturday morning cartoons is, with the advent of Cartoon Network and other networks like it, where one can watch cartoons at any time of day all week long, it made less sense to program a block that one actually had to schedule time to watch. With Tivo and On-Demand services, it would seem to make even less sense. I'm in favor of there being as many cartoon options as are sustainable, in whatever format will sustain them, but I think the days of dedicated programming are numbered.
What I dislike now is Cartoon Network's almost total abandonment of their cartoon library. They've got 24 hours to fill; they could find some time in there for the older and classic stuff. They don't need to show 8 episodes of Total Drama Island and then the live action Scooby Doo:Curse of the Lake Monster for the umpteenth time.
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I can agree with you that CN and Nick in the 90s lured a lot of kids to their networks. However, not everyone had cable nor the Internet in the 90s, and it's still true today. Yes, there are a lot of options to watch animation today, but I still see a need for Sat AM toons for the aforementioned reasons.
Agreed on CN's abandonment of their library, though.
edited 31st Jul '14 1:17:38 PM by Buzzinator
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While the return of weekday cartoons likely wont happen, im still wondering why most of the major kids networks decide to run new episodes of their cartoons in primetime. I know the 65 episode season isnt feasible, but why not put a new episode of say Phineas and Ferb on in an afternoon time slot?
Dear Federal Communications Commission, please place a ban on infomercials because they are a complete waste of time. Nobody wants to watch a 30-minute spam block with washed-up celebrities talking about health pills or weightlifting. Even if this industry is a multi-billion market, several on-the-air TV stations are owned by a media company that owns a children's TV station. This means that affiliates wouldn't have to waste their money on pointless commercials because the network is supplying the programming.
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Don't forget the pathetic, stupid, useless shitfuckpiss regulations that are the E/I regulations and the act that created them (this act also imposed limits on advertising for children's programming, depraving the broadcast networks of a source of money). They're another reason why children's animation, as well as children's entertainment on broadcast TV (FOX's animation block obviously does not count, because it's targeted toward adults) is extinct.
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That aside, well, I've read these forums here for far longer than I'd like to admit,but I'll tell you what, one of the biggest things I've observed is that people in this subforum don't seem to understand how business works, especially concerning television.
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I know that the internet is now truly becoming the best source for animation, regardless of lawful standing. That, and weekday cartoons ever coming back will result in some real cheap, badly written shit beig made if by some miracle, it happens (which I'm kind of thankful it won't!).
Barter syndication is probably the best choice because the network affiliates acquire the broadcast rights for free. The stations only have to pay for commercials.
Fox, CBS, Viacom ABC, NBC Universal, and Time Warner own a huge amount of TV shows, as well as stakes in TV networks. Daytime cartoons (except for PBS) died when Tribune ended its contract with Cookie Jar (now DHX).
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90 percent of American households have access to cable television.
This calls for Nick Jr, Disney Junior, and The Hub (which have low availability) to start weekday blocks. One different E/I show on weekdays. That's 2 1/2 hours. The other half hour can be shown on Saturdays with 2 1/2 hours of cartoons for older kids.
Repeating the same show everyday is boring.
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But most of those channels already have their own standard programming blocks.
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Nick Jr. is no longer airing on Nick's main channel. For the people who can't afford premium cable, a half-hour weekday block could easily fulfill the E/I requirements.
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Ever since 2005, I have fought long and hard for TV stations to carry more children's programming.
I can't believe how ageist modern TV stations have become. They air nothing but boring talk shows, court shows, and news these days. (Sitcoms and game shows are okay, though.) The FCC should impose a ban on paid programming because nobody watches that crap.
Family Guy is averaging 4 million viewers a week in syndication, but it just isn't the same.
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