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Me too.
That works for me as well.
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The only suggestion I'd make is to move the bottom panel up some so it's not as tall; I'm good with it aside from that.
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I'd like to see that hand in the top image. Maybe move the bottom panel to right under the hand and resize the image to 300 wide?
It's good. Even though the strawman's points are fairly reasonable, the fact he's got the crazy eyes and is shouty make it clear he's supposed to be off his rocker.
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Plus, there are legitimate public health arguments against his stance.
The second version is also good.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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edited 29th Jul '14 11:12:12 AM by Tuomas
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Oh really when?
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^That's even better.
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10 is exactly what I was thinking.
So, most people seem to agree it's a good image for the page? Does it need a caption?
Already has a lot of text, don't need to add more (caption) I don't think.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Just to ask, are we sure the arguing character is meant to be a strawman?
It's a classic Drugs Are Bad strawman "But I like them!", but the argument sounds much better than what the person writing the strawman thought it would be.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Yeah, he is a strawman. The kid he is arguing with is Robin in civilian attire, and since Batman and Robin are the heroes of the comic, obviously we're expected to side with them. The guy making the arguments is just some random sleazy dude smoking weed at Robin's college yard. He only appears in this one scene, so apparenly he was included in the comic solely to spout his "drug user propaganda".
edited 30th Jul '14 1:32:05 AM by Tuomas
Maybe there should be a caption that clarifies that the "it's against the law!" kid is the hero of the book, and the arguing kid is just a random minor character?
edited 30th Jul '14 4:11:54 AM by Tuomas
The "has a point" bit is the fact that alcohol, tobacco, and firearms are legal... whereas marijuana is illegal in most states. Hm.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
No, the point is that alcohol and tobacco, which have roughly the equivalent health risk as weed, are legal, whereas cannabis isn't. And that drug use is a victimless crime, so in a liberal society it should be up to the individual to decide whether he wants to use narcotics.
Whether or not you think cannabis should be legal, the strawman still has some perfectly valid points, ones that are often brought up when drug policy is discussed. And he certainly puts a lot more effort into his arguments than Robin, effectively countering his "it's poison" and "it's illegal" arguments on a philosophical level.
"...roughly the equivalent health risk..." Woah. Okay. Didn't mean to start that conversation, sorry.
Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
The problem with cannabis is that it hasn't (yet) been studied as systematically as alcohol and tobacco, but all the (non-biased, i.e. not written by propagandists on either side of the debate) comparative medical studies I've come across seem to agree that it isn't more dangerous to your health than alcohol and tobacco are. (This is if you're smoking the stuff, obviously... If you're ingesting it in other ways, it makes sense to compare it to just alcohol, since there's no smoking-related adverse effect then.)
Anyway, Strawman Has a Point is YMMV item, so not everyone has to agree with the strawman's point... But I'd say it's a case of Strawman Has a Point when the writer clearly expects you to side against the strawman, but his arguments are actually coherent and sensible enough that at least some of the readers/viewers end up agreeing with him. I'd say that's the case with the guy in this comic.
edited 30th Jul '14 3:08:11 PM by Tuomas
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I think the picture could use a short caption explaining that this is from an anti-drug PSA.
edited 30th Jul '14 4:51:41 PM by Druplesnubb
It thought these two panels from Shadow of the Bat might be a good illustration for the article. Even if you don't agree on the legalization of cannabis, philosophically the strawman villain has a better point than Robin's kneejerk "it's against the law" argument. Also, those exact points are the ones that are often debated by politicians when talking about drug policy, and some of them have lead to cannabis becoming legalized in some parts of the world.
edited 31st Jul '14 1:47:47 AM by Tuomas