The Seven Deadly Sins (Nanatsu no Taizai)

Ew.

Agreed.

This series... it's romances are questionable. Between shit like this, and fucking Dragonball Super and it's insistence on Trunks / Mai, I'm hating shipping (or at least the poor taste the authors have) more and more.

Even in proper context having him call a baby "His woman" is so very unpalatable...

Speaking of romance, I wonder if King and Diane are together now? They better be, I see no reason why Gowther shouldn't have restored her memories and why they wouldn't confess to each other.

edited 2nd Jul '16 12:14:38 PM by LSBK

Of course Gowther didn't do that.

I don't see why he wouldn't, it's basically the Guila situation again.

But anyway, I've been thinking that Gray Lord is more a supporting member who's incapable of direct combat on his own. What with his commandment and his general abilities seem more support related: shapeshifting, the cursed chains, and apparently Absolute Cancel.

Because A. If Gowther does undo it it'll be onscreen for maximum dramatic appeal B. the writer probably has no idea where to go with that relationship and C. Gowther has taken several levels in dickbag since then and would feel no particular need to undo the damage he's caused, especially if people don't directly ask him to.

A. Fair enough, but that's more writing himself into a corner than anything else B. See A. but I feel like he has some idea of what he wants to do with them, it's been built up enough. C. You said that as if Diane and King wouldn't ask (or in King's case demand) that he restores her memories, and he's already carried out his little experiment, he has nothing to gain from keeping her like that.

Narrative contrivances are the worst.

No, because King is stupid and would probably just keep telling Gowther that he's a dick.

Speaking of Gray Lord,some volume stuff mentioned that there's a Gray Demon mutant with immeasurable strength,which I guess refers to him?

That's cool then. I wonder where Fraudrin and Galan fit in the hierarchy.

Speaking of relationships, does anyone else feel like Meliodas and Ban's relationship is extremely superficial? It seems like their best friend status only ever extends to them being generally friendly to each other. They almost never show concerns for each other's problems and never share any information with each other. It just makes it so that scenes like Ban trying to save Meliodas in 177 don't feel very heartwarming because Ban does it because of the script, rather than because Ban actually cares about Meliodas on a deeper level. It seems more like Ban sees Meliodas not as a best friend but more as a favorite toy, and don't get me started on Meliodas's side.

I wouldn't call their relationship superficial but it's definitely not the healthiest one ever on Ban's side. His relationship with Meliodas has the same problem as with his relationship with Elaine: he acts as if they're the only ones who care about him when that's just not the case.

I mean, given his life, I get why he'd be in that mindset, but it doesn't make it any less annoying when there are clearly other people who care about him around. But, even though he should realize he has other friends I totally understand him considering Meliodas his best friend. Saying he treats Meliodas more like a favorite toy just seems completely out there to me.

On Meliodas side the matter is more simple: Ban is his best friend because out of his closet comrades he's the one he has the most in common with and has the most fun with. Again, I don't see that as a superficial basis for friendship, most real friendships are like that.

But if you want to go deeper, I think Ban immortal might play apart as well, even if Ban doesn't know it.

edited 2nd Jul '16 2:28:42 PM by LSBK

It's just that there are times where there seems to be a lack of concern where there should be. Like how during the kingdom infiltration arc Ban ditches the mission to talk to the horn even when he fully knows how important Elizabeth is to Meliodas, or how in the flashback where Ban tries to take Meliodas's demon and gets the scar he was deliberately provoking him for no reason even when he asked him seriously to stop. There's also the fact that Ban seems to keep a lot of things from Meliodas. Meliodas knew nothing of his motivations for trying to save the kingdom in the first arc or where he would be when he left the sins.

"Favorite toy" wasn't exactly the right wording but by superficial I really mean that I don't feel any deeper connection that should exist between best friends. They just enjoy each other's company and that's it. I guess you could still call them best friends, but not in a way that suggests anything deeper.

Ban was putting Elaine before Meliodas, that he was doing that was the whole reason for angst and leaving the Seven Deadly Sins after it was over. He was supposed to be wrong for than and he realized it.

It's actually apparently one of the rules of the group that they don't talk about why they're in the Seven Deadly Sins. Most of them don't know why the others are there and they make it a point not to pry into each others business.

Edit: Not to say I don't get the point you're making but it seems to me more like a general problem with Nakaba's writing of relationships, in general, than something particularly bad with Ban and Meliodas.

edited 2nd Jul '16 3:54:54 PM by LSBK

Ah my initial thought was that Ban only regretted trying to kill Meliodas but after some rereading seems like I was wrong. Maybe I am too used to anime where best friends are a lot more open with each other but I always thought it was weird that Ban didn't seem trust Meliodas enough to tell anything from his past, but I'm probably reading too much into it, not to mention the fact that Ban seemed to be prying in the flashback.

He didn't really ask why it was important to Meliodas he was just drunk and wanted to hold it.

But Ban is the one to mention the "law" about not asking another Sin about their past. It's not really surprising you don't remember because it only got brought up on two occasions pretty close to one another.

edited 2nd Jul '16 4:25:24 PM by LSBK

Lmao So Mel might be coming back already -_-

Out of curiosity, do you think that anyone besides the Sins will get to take out one of the Commandments?

Maybe Arthur and/or Elizabeth or the Three Stooges.

Hendrickson maybe,And maaaaaybe Denzel?

edited 3rd Jul '16 4:02:41 PM by alekos23

By the way, here's the stuff about that gray demon Alekos mentioned and gray demons, in general.

Chapter's out.

Yeah, feels like this series is going out of it's way to make the relationship between Meliodas and Elizabeth as uncomfortable as possible.

So Seven Deadly Sins were created specifically to deal with Ten Commandments? So then why did they turn out to be completely unprepared for that?

Highly probable that baby Elizabeth is the newly died/reincarnated Liz. From Mel's point of view, that baby was his full-grown lover just a moment ago.

And the SDS was only active for several years before Fraudrin shenanigans. Mel probably didn't expect the 10C to be released that fast.

edited 4th Jul '16 4:15:00 AM by TrueShadow1

I want Meliodas to be told that it's creepy in-universe. This shit wouldn't fly even in Real Life Arthurian times.