New Predator Movie

The first film's one-liners in particular are part of the premise. The whole subtext of the Predator is in its deconstruction of the machismo-fueled action films of the time, so in the first act you have a bunch of characters who act like traditional 80's action heroes spouting one-liners and oozing masculinity. It's building them up to take them down, as it's notable the most stereotypical macho action hero of the bunch (Blain) who's a one-liner machine ("It's payback time!" "A goddamn SEXUAL TYRANNOSAURUS!" "I ain't got time to bleed") is the second one to go, and is taken out via a shot In the Back rather than a glorious last stand.

As The Predator (to borrow the words from Youtuber Rossatron) "puts meatheads through a meatgrinder" and their members fall prey to the Predator the one-liners dwindle until by the end Dutch is practically mute and mostly just screams in animalistic rage.

I'm still disappointed nobody has conceived taking this franchise to different historical periods. Well, nobody other than fans (in what's really the best Predator film since Predator 2, despite the obviously limited budget):

You're completely right. The First Film was "lets take these macho badass 80's hero clichés with all of the weaponry, and put them up against something that can kill them with ease." The Second movie kind of did that with Cop clichés as well.

Dutch starts off as a cigar-smoking Arnold badass who cracks one-liners during fights, and then gets progressively more freaked out/scared as things go on. And by the end you could argue that despite "winning" he's mentally and emotionally broken regardless (judging by that last scene in the helicopter).

I'd love to see a Predator film set in feudal Japan myself.

Edited by Punisher286 on Sep 19th 2018 at 9:59:08 AM

Am I a bad Predator fan if I say Av P is my favorite Predator movie since it was my introduction into the franchise? The black woman living at the end kind of helps too.

Damn the original Predator was deeper than I thought.

I really need to watch it.

Not really. I find it a Guilty Pleasure myself to be honest. If anything else, it's better than the second AVP film.

The original movie definitely has an undercurrent of deconstruction of 80's action movies. The director John Mc Tiernan said that the sequence where the commandos fire their weapons into the bare jungle for a solid thirty seconds without actually hitting anything was intended as a commentary of the More Dakka love. It also leads into the climax where Dutch uses primitive traps and snares to outsmart his enemy, where now the Predator is firing randomly into the jungle and he manages to win by ingenuity rather than being bigger, stronger or carrying a big gun.

I think the main problem with Predator 2 is that the future urban setting drew attention to some uncomfortable social elements, things they were not really interested in developing. The first film was just a couple guys in the jungle against an alien, there was talk of political things but was largely out of mind. This film has a backdrop of Colombian and Jamaican gangs turning LA into a warzone, which had some racist implications and is on full display until about the halfway point. Reviews pointed out the film felt mean spirited, much like the Robocop sequels it was lacking the more subversive qualities of the first film.

Has any sort of comic book or video game or whatever done "Predator vs. James Bond"? 'Cause it seems like plopping the Predator down in the middle of a James Bond movie, killing off all the super spies and assassins, with Bond himself reduced down to a scared, unarmed, barely clothed piece of prey in the wilderness . . . that could recapture what the first film was going for.

Tangent, but the nudity in this film really bothered me. It just felt unnecessarily unpleasant.

In the first film it was Shane Black (and Hawkins died FIRST remember

That explains it. This movie is his revenge.

I felt that aware about the profanity myself. Like I have no problem with the concept of profanity in films, and the other films had it to be sure. But there it was more spread out throughout the film(s) and tended to be used at specific times/for specific moments that made sense in-context.

Here pretty much everyone is swearing and it's happening way too much. It felt like the movies trying WAY too hard to be "adult and edgy" imo, and it ended up being the exact opposite in the end.

The swearing I could let pass as characterisation, it's the script's absolutely inconsistent treatment of murder that really throw me off. Is killing people a taboo you have to be careful of crossing, or hilarious? Individual scenes can't even decide.

I came here to read people’s reaction to the new movie. I did not expect an in depth analysis on what makes the original film works.

Which really got me to thinking as to how it is truly the perfect horror movie. As a genre horror is meant to make the audience feel unease with themselves. It is to frighten them with situation that is hard for them to understand. The whole situation in those films are meant to feel hopeless, as if the heroes will not survive. And Predator did that by placing characters who would be considered badass action heroes in their own film against a monster that can take them out quite easily. Just the idea that your Rambos and Commandos can do nothing against this dangerous foe is such a frightening idea, as basically it is saying that the powerful heroes you know can take on any bad guy are just scrubs to this alien hunter who could take over the world if choose to and the usually machine gun firing strategy and manly one on one fight will not stop this foe.

It really puts Arnold role into interesting perspective. In many of the films he is in he is usually the unstoppable badass hero who spouts one liners and always overpower the main villain. Here, he is relagated to being the final girl desperately trying to survive the killer of the movie and forced to use traps to outwit the creature. Hell the way it ends with Arnold desperately trying to escape the impending nuclear blast as the Predator gives the most demonic laugh ever really cements the films status of being a horror film rather than an action movie.

The same can be said for its sequel, where essentially the main Predator is stalking Danny Glover and the police force in the film. It definitely is a true slasher as it takes place in a familiar territory (the city) and the Predator gains a huge kill count.

In short it is amazing how one alien action film can be surprisingly deep than it already is.

Glad I am not the only one who thought the first movie was the best one.

This movie was okay, but the way autism was handled kind of ruined it for me. Especially the evolution bit. That is not how evolution works. And it is the biologist character saying this.

Hollywood takes science out to a back alley and beats it to death with an aluminium baseball bat.

I think I'd rate the movies...

Predator > Predators >> Predator 2 > Alien Vs Predators > The Predator >> Aliens vs Predator: Requiem

In this case, I think the movie is also put this comandos and jungle fighter against the ultime hunter: one that is invisible.

is kinda a blend of Rambo vs demons.

As someone who suffers from Tourette's Syndrome himself, the jokes about it in this film were incredibly irritating to say the least.

I told my friend what happened in this movie & she slammed her head into the wall.

She has a brother or a general relative who's autistic.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 24th 2018 at 5:36:52 AM

It's almost unsurprising, given Shane Black's history with disabilities: Iron Man 3 has the central core of its plot being disabled veterans gleefully turning into traitorous psychopaths for their limbs back.

He just switched his target from physical ailments to mental, like PTSD.

Shane Black does, too.

I've wavered between being incredibly mad over the treatment of autism to finding it almost hilarious on account of how bad it is. At least I know the Predators won't kill me if I meet one now.

On that topic, Predators are actually one of the least "IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU!" slahser-esque villains in cinematic history. Since they only kill "worthy prey", the greater part of the audience has no chance of ever being targeted by the Predators. If you provide no threat whatsoever, he will never target you, and most people at large in society aren't soldiers or fighters, so the Predator would never take an interest in them.

I wonder if soldiers and police officers who saw Predator 1 and 2 had some sort of primal fear they might find themselves under three red dots someday.

To be fair at least in Iron man 3 the psycho aspect was part of extrimis than the soldiers themselves.

Yeah if anything it make the predator the best badass rival of all.

Not entirely; Pepper was injected with Extremis and she spent most of then scared and was only briefly aggressive.

I really don't feel like we see enough of the extremis henchmen to get a good idea of their morality, like there's no indication that these were good people prior to enlisting to the army. The one extremis guy who is shown to have a mother who loved him wasn't even affiliated with the Bad Guy Plan and just blew up unexpectedly.

Killian on the other hand is a real nasty peice of work, but seemingly only after he recovers from his disorder?

And then the Vice President who's bank rolling all of this isn't disabled, he's doing it because seemingly he can't bare having a disabled draughter.

The scientist was also in on the Bad Guy Plan and she didn't have any kind of disability history at all.

Moreover, Tony Stark is clearly not able in that film, and has clearly got PTSD.

ah dang I'm off topic.

Yeah I didn't know what to think of the torettes in this film. I know Shane has it himself, and the character was never the butt of a joke, but I still felt like it was the kind of humour that made me uncomfortable. The "geeze you're pushy" bit especially was kind of weird because it was pitting him against Olivia Munn's character and it was kind of just an unpleasant misunderstanding.