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Deadlock Clock: Jul 31st 2014 at 11:59:00 PM
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#1: Jun 18th 2014 at 7:25:26 PM

There's some rumbling over at this trope's IP thread that this basically isn't a trope, so much as "all the times this line was said by a character," especially since only one set of specific circumstances can lead to this line.

Anyone care to defend it from those charges?

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#2: Jun 18th 2014 at 8:33:29 PM

The trope is the situation, not the line.

The situation is "a character (usually because they are distracted, absentminded or so intent on what is going on) says what they're thinking out loud without realizing until after they've said it that 1) they did so, and 2) they probably shouldn't have."

It's completely tropeworthy. However "X character says "Oops, did I say that out loud?" " isn't unless it's part of that situation.

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#3: Jun 18th 2014 at 8:54:19 PM

[up]I second that. Redirecting Spoken Monologue might probably be a good idea, to make it more clear that this isn't a dialogue trope.

((P.S. This is also why I think the current image is better than the suggestion in the IP thread because it alludes to the situation rather than the dialogue))

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#4: Jun 20th 2014 at 4:33:47 AM

Looking at the examples on the page, they're overwhelmingly about the trope, not the line. Which indicates it's working.

edited 20th Jun '14 4:34:19 AM by AnotherDuck

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#5: Jun 20th 2014 at 5:18:38 AM

In all fairness, the fact that it is on the Stock Phrases index indicates that it was probably created with the intent to be about the phrase.

Despite the No New Stock Phrases rule, existing Stock Phrase pages have been permitted to be continue existing if they were not causing problems on the Wiki. That being said, if we can convert this to a proper trope, that would be better.

edited 20th Jun '14 5:19:29 AM by Catbert

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#6: Jun 20th 2014 at 8:04:56 AM

Depends on whether it was placed there from the start, or if someone put it there after finding it fitting.

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#7: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:24:24 PM

If it was initially defined as a phrase, we can still redefine it to what it's being used as.

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#8: Jun 26th 2014 at 12:25:07 PM

We don't really want pages on phrases, though.

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#9: Jun 27th 2014 at 1:32:14 AM

Most Stock Phrases were created to be about an actual trope, even if they were classified as stock phrases at the start. No New Stock Phrases reflects the tendency for them to be misused for any appearance of their titles in dialogue.

This is especially the case for the older ones, which may sound surprising considering the much wider definition of "trope" the older days of the wiki used. But older tropes also had a tendency to be over-defined and assumed certain situations were rarer and occurred in more circumscribed situations than they actually were, so misuse of stock phrases that were originally defined to apply to a specific situation fits in with that.

The oldest version of this page the Internet Archive has is pretty typical, as is the YKTTW v1.0 discussion on the archived discussion.

edited 27th Jun '14 1:41:52 AM by MorganWick

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#11: Aug 1st 2014 at 6:22:40 AM

Clock's up; locking for inactivity.

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