ufotable's Fate/Stay Night

I think a better maxim is "Don't include rape in a story unless you have a really good reason", since rape is very rarely treated with the respect it deserves and is usually used as a cheap and easy way to show off how bad the villain is.

Or: "Whatever your story is, somebody on the Internet will ignore it in their review and talk about their favorite social problem instead".

(But the "projection" line is priceless. It's true, Archer and Shiro combined have nothing on that reviewer.)

edited 25th May '15 11:28:06 PM by Cozzer

That article is just....wow.

I feel they made the "Why didn't Rin escape?" issue worse by cutting back and forth between Rin and Shirou, so that the Tethercat Principle kicks in. If Rin's stuff is shown after Shirou's, then it's easier to believe that it happened in a short amount of time.

Or they could have Hand Waved that she's tied up with Anti-Magic rope or something.

edited 26th May '15 12:27:49 PM by Prime32

I'm... actually baffled. All in all I enjoy FSN, though I did not watch the anime for now. But this series of review... Are we actually reading a review of someone who just wants to push on their feminism views to us? And doesn't like philosophical talks and only praises things when there's high-adrenaline action? What is this, expecting FSN to be Shonen? This is just sad.

Let's have a honest opinion here, guys. Is this adaptation good? The review feel so tainted.

As an adaptation it's okay, I guess. The bonus scenes added in are almost universally terrible but the fights are pretty. The pacing after the first real villain goes down is awful and the second one is way less sympathetic than the story seems to believe.

The review basically says that Fate/stay night is a fantasy for boys looking to become men. True or not, it doesn't say that's bad.

The series has been slow. Lots of people felt that way in season 1, back when episodes were alternating talky and action. Here, we're gonna spend three episodes covering Shirou's confrontation with Archer (at minimum...).

I agree it's stretched a bit thin, but some of that is the source material's fault. If you liked the VN's overall pacing of Shirou's character arc here, you're probably not going to have a problem. But if you felt it was slow and repetitive, with Shirou and Archer trading the same arguments multiple times without much change, you're still gonna feel that way here.

The show's tried to add a little time by showing us vignettes for Ilya and Caster, but they're not quite enough for full-fledged plotlines, and these share the VN's overall issue that those characters don't fit the Shirou vs. Archer plotline in terms of theme.

I though this latest episode was much better than last one, as there's more action, and they add a nice head sequence that's original compared to the VN but has a really great line that's repeated by both Shirou and Archer, helping encapsulate their mindset and struggle.

Great music, great visuals, but the plot has all the features and warts of the VN.

Where UBW fails... is its trying to adhere to being the UBW route... instead of the natural continuation of F/Zero. UBW the route has issues and the adaption has pretty much kept those issues. Essentially Its like the Visual novel... It already expects you to know this ****. Hence why Illya's death doesn't work... cause You're either suppose to have kept your sympathy from F/zero or in the VN's case Remember her character from Fate since she's basically a non presence in UBW.

Its has really good production... but when it comes down to it... Its kinda your average VN adaptation.

You know, we're kind of in a no-win situation, because if Ufo did an Anime original route we probably would have found something else wrong with it.

This is a very faithful adaptation of UBW, but the problems it has is that its faithful to the point of bringing in the same issues from the VN, namely the glacial pacing. I read the VN and yes, it really does go this slow.

The additional scenes are nice, but they only compound the problem. What kinda bothers me is how people seem to think Zero doesn't have this problem, because I remember being extremely bored in some episodes.

so yea, your enjoyment of this show hinges primarily if you like seeing high production values, a faithful adaptation to a well liked route, and if you really like Shirou/Archer as characters. Otherwise, I don't blame people for getting fed up with this cour.

It's not a series of review, it's one extreme review in particular. Don't let this fool you, the vast, vast, vast majority of audience reactions and reviews (especially on You Tube reaction videos) are going bonkers with excitement with many declaring it the best episode of the series. Even many of the people that were complaining about the show during the first season are praising it a lot more now. Some even looked like they were getting teary eyed and ranted about the episode for longer lengths than the actual episode itself.

...yes I waste my time hunting down and watching every You Tube reaction video I can find each episode... To be honest, since I've seen so many renditions of the series, the thing that interested me the most with the show is how new audiences react.

edited 26th May '15 8:51:14 PM by Moekou

Again, I really should say that I'd much prefer an amalgamation adaptation rather than a straight adaptation of one of the routes, even if it might not really make that much sense, because you're missing a lot by just adapting a single route, and given the hands of a capable writer, the end result could be pretty fantastic.

Episode 20 was pretty great, I'll say. The sequence where Shirou rediscovers why he holds onto his ideals was pretty great, too, it's a nice addition.

edited 27th May '15 6:33:02 AM by Cronosonic

The whole amalagram idea could work if it were in the hands of a capable writer but it still would need to be done in a similar manner to Fate Zero. Fate Zero was the anime that got most fans into the Nasuverse.

Fate/Zero is responsible for most of the Nasuverse's fanbase?

Yeah, I doubt that.

Certainly, it brought in new fans, but the Nasuverse has been a gigantic fanbase for years before Fate/Zero the novel was ever written.

Well maybe not most of the fanbase but it did some outsiders into the Nasuverse.

Eh, it did bring it to more mainstream popularity. The DEEN anime was mediocre and is frequently forgotten while visual novels are a pretty niche thing, even in Japan. If FSN was really popular enough to stand entirely on its own, this adaptation wouldn't have all the (crappy) callbacks to Zero.

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So umm how about that HF movie coming out soon >_>

We must hope it to be a serial, rather than stand-alone.

Maybe there will be anime original stuff that will make Zouken somewhat interesting instead of the most boring character in the franchise.

I don't even think creating a decent amalgamation would be that hard. Just take what they've already made with UBW, add in a backstory episode for Saber and give Sakura a subplot so that we know what's going on with her. How much more would you really need?

Well, the main problem would be how or what direction should the adaptation take: fate can be assimilated by UBW, HF would be the main problem though.

I think the best option would be to keep the routes separate but tie them together as being parallel timelines.

The only great problem in uniting the three routes and no, its not shipping, though Rin would most likely be the main heroine would be the direction the final route would take, the answer that Shirou would reach by the end of all.

The rest is not that difficult, acknowledging the events of HF would mean that Rider is not killed off by Kuzuki, maybe taken by rule breaker; Gil would have to last until the very end, the same with Lancer and Archer; Ilya and Berserker would have to take a more active role so that Goldie doesn't kill her and Shirou and Rin would have to confront Sakura, since it's more likely that Shinji dies instead of Rider. What Zouken and true Assassin would do is up in the air.

edited 27th May '15 7:01:59 PM by raziel365

New ep is up.

Ok, when Archer got hit with Gil's weapons, the way it happened actually made me chuckle.

After watching Shinji's transformation into the imperfect grail, I gotta admit.....I'm torn. Shinji is the most despicable piece of shit who ever lived and he deserves to die, but suffering like that.....I almost feel it's unnecessary. Just kill him and be done with it.