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Misused: Reactionary Fantasy
Deadlock Clock: 21st Jun '14 11:59 PM
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Misused: Reactionary Fantasy get usage counts

Gives a definition, but the examples mostly don't fit. The examples read more like "A case where conservatives sneak their views into our media".

I mean, Ghostbusters is a reactionary fantasy because one plot point is an obstructive bureaucrat? Is such thing really a fantasy and only believed by reactionaries?

Or Black Metal is reactionary fantasy because "despite having anti-Christian or Pagan lyrics" (interesting turn of phrase that), some of the bands have allegedly conservative politics?

The Ramones are reactionary fantasy because they have more conservatives political views than the Clash? Which means you have to be pretty far left to not count as reactionary!

Really needs a cleanup to be more than Complaining About Shows That Have Politics I Don't Like.
 2 shimaspawn, Sun, 18th May '14 1:00:07 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I did some serious clean up on the page itself. It seems like it just needs some clean up and for people to stop listing Subculture of the Week. The wicks could use a once over as well.

edited 18th May '14 1:00:31 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
The trouble is that the name is non-indicative as well. I can see how the name connects to the description, but it uses both reactionary and fantasy in a non-standard way.

 4 shimaspawn, Sun, 18th May '14 1:56:49 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I agree, the name isn't the best and there is a decent chuck of misuse.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

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 5 Willbyr, Wed, 18th Jun '14 6:06:12 AM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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 6 JHM, Wed, 18th Jun '14 4:55:51 PM from Neither Here Nor There Relationship Status: I know
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The Reactionary Fantasy is a very real trope if you look at something like God Is Not Dead or, ye gods, The Turner Diaries, but it is being wildly misused here. Some clean-up is definitely necessary.

EDI: Ah, the description here seems to be going with a different definition in turn. I'm not sure exactly what the technical term for that trope is. It does exist, but the examples here are kind of mixed...

edited 18th Jun '14 4:57:27 PM by JHM

If nothing else it need a rename and an example cleanup, but I'm not to inclined to even keep it.

edited 19th Jun '14 5:03:25 AM by Catbert

After some research, I believe the original use of the term was from Michael Moorcock describing "The Lord of the Rings". IMHO Moorcock pretty much he did mean "those bad Tories are sneaking into my fantasy literature field". AKA, Complaining About Works Whose Political Subtexts I Disagree With. Though yes, LOTR really does have some Tory political subtext in it, especially in "The Scouring of the Shire".

Well, Moorcock also complained about Tolkein's florid writing style. Pot, kettle, black IMHO. :)

Even by *that* definition, the given examples were pretty broad. (Is the existence of obstructive bureaucrats really in itself a reactionary fantasy? Or not being as far left as The Clash?)

PS Why is there a term for "Reactionary Fantasy" and not for "Radical Fantasy"? The latter certainly exists. EG, "His Dark Materials".

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