Epic Rap Battles of Historyyyyyyy!

May I ask what you mean by "considering their track record"? I agree with the general opinion that it's not something I'd be overjoyed to see, but I like knowing exactly the reason.

I think he's referring how they lose sight of objectivity fairly often, so Trump vs Clinton could likely end up being Clinton wiping the floor with Trump in a very heavy-handed way (or Bernie doing it to both of them).

Yeah, but it's Trump.

They both deserve comeuppance, just so we're clear.

Trump deserves a shit ton more than Hillary.

I think the point of rap battles is for both sides to be torn down, make the dissing as even as possible.

Douglas vs Jefferson, Jenner vs Banner, Ripper vs Lecter, Zeus vs Thor, and Goku vs Superman all suffered from one side dominating the other.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:16:34 PM by Soble

I feel like I disagree with the majority of those. For example, Goku was nowhere near as good as Superman was IMO. And Zeus vs Thor is the least one-sided battle of season 4.

But yes, that's my main concern with the battle as well. As a Bernie fan, it'd be a real cop-out to avoid dissing him just because they agree with his political views or whatever. There's a lot of material there.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:21:24 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

The first two I get but the last three I don't see who's dominating who.

I'm not entirely opposed to Curb-Stomp Battle rap battles but I think they should be used very rarely and on "extreme" cases (like Jefferson vs Douglas, which is pretty hard not to make Douglas at a superior moral ground). This season has pretty much been unbalanced battles as the norms, with the most disappointing case being how the Ivan royale sided with Cat the Great way too much, when it was a fairly even-handed battle before.

If they wanted to do a Curb-Stomp Battle against Trump (and he deserves it), there are better foes than Hillary. I'd personally pit him against someone like Emilio Zapata or Pancho Villa, the fabled mexican revolutionaries who might more or less be the very antithesis of Donald Trump and stand for everything he hates (and flipside, he stands for everything they'd hate).

edited 29th Aug '16 7:24:27 PM by Gaon

That depends on if Bernie will be in there at all. After the convention, his relevance has dropped significantly.

I'd rather have Pancho Villa and Emiliano Zapata go up against each other. They were huge rivals during the Mexican Revolution.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:25:44 PM by AdricDePsycho

Damn, Zapata vs Trump sounds absolutely epic. Too bad it's all but down the gutter now.

There haven't really been any hints towards these two, but I'm still hoping for Jimi Hendrix vs Kurt Cobain and Three Musketeers vs Three Stooges this season or sometime soon.

Lecter points out that Jack spends his first verse (of 2) jerking himself off and doesn't say a thing about Lecter. Both of Lecter's verses tore Jack apart.

Well my point was that one of them did much better than the other, but I was going to say Superman got roasted by Goku. "Rap bombs on Japan" and "9 million screams" were the only genuine insults, the rest was just a lot of terrible wordplay (You're Krillin it, like Roshi sniffin panties, you can Dragonball deez?).

Lecter, Thor, Goku dominated their opponents.

Anyway, I don't think anyone really "deserves" it. If Adolf Hitler got a fair battle, everyone should. I'm not strongly invested in politics, but Trump is a "fresh Acceptable Target," isn't he? ERB makes some horrible people throughout history (Kim-Jong Il, Hitler, Ivan) as well as characters (Vader, Lecter, Walter White) deliver good disses. It should never be "this person is awful, they deserve to lose this battle and take all the verbal abuse because a large majority of people from this time period hate them."

Perhaps it's because I'm ignoring this election I don't share the feeling "Trump should get his." But in comparison, a lot of people didn't like Obama, a lot of people didn't like Romney. They were given a fair fight while absolutely picking at their flaws, and the battle ended with Lincoln slapping the shit out of both of them.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:39:30 PM by Soble

As someone who has paid attention to the news, I can assure you that Trump should be clobbered in a rap battle.

Yeah I've Youtubed a few Trump rallies myself, partly why I stopped caring.

My political views are never going to affect my work nor should they. Unless I write political cartoons for a living in which case...

People already accuse ERB of getting too political due to Jenner verbally running a train on Hulk and Douglas trashing Jefferson.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:43:07 PM by Soble

I mean, in my opinion, Goku had like one or two good lines, whereas Superman was ridiculously consistent. Goku just went for the obvious, long-hanging fruit. Superman's lines were at least pretty clever.

But yes, I agree that Trump should get his chance to be represented fairly, regardless of my personal feelings toward the man. It'd basically be commercial suicide for the gang to take a political stance in this election field, anyway.

edited 29th Aug '16 7:42:16 PM by ConstipatedWaffle

I actually thought Goku won the Rap Battle.

I'd like to see Hillary get hers as well, because she has a lot of material against her. Not as much as Trump, but still.

I bet this doesn't show up in anybody's Youtube feed anymore.

I can't begin to imitate Randy Savage's stage voice, f'ck.

Yeah, Ripper vs Lecter, Zeus vs Thor, and Goku vs Superman were all extremely debatable, and any assertion that they were overwhelmingly one-sided can be immediately dismissed the second other people chime in with contrasting opinions.

Eh,Zeus put up a pretty good fight at least.

People seem to say "ERB is getting political" as if it's a bad thing ;P

I mean, my serious opinion is that it can either be done well or done badly, and how good it is done is independent of one's agreement, or disagreement, with the opinions spouted by a content creator. Of course, people, be their the public at large and/or professional critics might be unable to untangle their opinion on the topic from their opinion on the quality of the work, thus leading to a consensus on the work's quality that might not be entirely intellectually honest.

Now, regarding ERB, I do would enjoy it "getting political", especially if their political views agree with mine ;P But of course I do worry about the quality of the work itself. As its goal is to be entertainment, if it's not entertaining, then I'll drop it. This season has been a little underwhelming so far.

Let see:

Goku vs Superman: yeah, goku wins becaue Superman good behivor and silver age beng dosent mesh well with rap battle when the meaner the better, the only exception is the one who are to awfull so they side with one(Thomas edition, Frank sinatra,jusitn beiber)

Ripper vs Lecter: is hard to said since Ripper does have good flow(aparenly the actor of Jack is actual Rapper) but Lecter point out the flaw of his rapping which help alot, for me is quite a tie.

Zeus vs Thor: I dont think Zeus rap was bad....but Thor raping was just better, granted the video move more with Zeus but in the case is because Zeus is a colosal Jerk.

Douglas vs Jefferson: now the problem is not that douglas tear out Jefferson, becaus as Adric already said before, jefferson have plenty of shit to be rip off like the douche he was, but that the rap take a nose dive into the issue of Slavery

Now the issue here is that Trump is to easy to beat so they need to boost him a little before they can tore him apart, this season have been a little bit bad with thing like Jenner vs hulk....damn that was BAD

edited 30th Aug '16 11:06:03 PM by unknowing

Also, I never got the impression that Sinatra vs Mercury was supposed to be one-sided, as has been an opinion I've seen around.

They clearly had a favorite in Stan Lee vs. Jim Henson, but I really liked it anyway.

I've rarely seen the introduction of real-life politics improve a work.

Goku vs. Superman, Zeus vs. Thor, Stan Lee vs. Jim Henson, I can't see any of those as one-sided, really. Unless you meant towards Walt Disney in the last one, but if so I think that was done very well.

@Ninety: Just to be sure, you're talking about works that didn't have those all along, right?