Cinema Sins

He's not wrong about the level of Contrived Coincidence, though. It's hardly new to the franchise, mind you, but that tends to be the case with sequels. You can forgive a few in the original... but you pile on on top of those, it can really break the willing suspension of disbelief. Even when you bring in destiny/fate. ... in some cases, especially when you say it's fate.

... if he said this movie runs on Contrived Coincidences, I wonder what he thought of Finding Nemo, which did the exact same thing.

Has Jeremy gotten a bit more unhinged as of late?

He sinned it for those. Which is reasonable.

But that's the thing about a Contrived Coincidence. One isn't that huge a deal. But a chain of them is when it strains credulity.

If you then have something else set in the same continuity that has more contrived coincidences, it's worse because you're building on the already strained credulity.

One's an anomaly, two's a trend.

I liked that he actually had to tap out and his partner Chris had to step in.

You know, this is gonna sound like a weird complaint, but I dont like it when Cinema Sins gets overly irritable with the movies like they did with this one.

Been a LONG time since we've had a bonus round. I've missed them.

Incidentally, the thing he kept complaining about ("this is a reboot and kept showing the origin story through flashbacks rather than having a whole movie as an origin") sounds like it would be a good thing, if done well.

... isn't it a GOOD THING that this doesn't tell the origin story again??? Which would mean it's NOT a reboot?? If anything, I would cut those flashbacks out!

Yeah, coming from someone who keeps complaining about every Batman movie redoing his origin story, this is weird.

Edit: terrible wording, never mind.

edited 8th Dec '16 2:34:16 PM by Aetol

he said it was bad even if you did the origin in flashbacks

which is what Bv S tried to get away with

so I fail to see a contradiction

Flashback origins are tricky because they still need to feel connected to the narrative or else it just comes off just as shoehorned as dedicating the entire first act to it before abruptly switching to the actual story.

When people think of flashback origins, they often think of 1989 Batman. But the key is that even though the origins were covered so quickly, they still had a tangible connection to the plot. Batman cast its villain, the Joker, in the role of the gunman who murdered Bruce's parents, allowing the flashback to advance the film's narrative rather than going, "Excuse me for a moment, Imma just put these dumb, pointless scenes here, then we can get back to the plot."

Much like "too many villains!", origin stories are a complaint that misses the point. The reason they feel dumb and repetitive is because they just don't go anywhere. They waste a significant portion of screentime on something that ultimately has little to no bearing on the story the film is trying to tell. It's not about doing or not doing an origin story. It's about having a centralized narrative thread.

Not to mention that unless they're the next movie in a new series, they're always in superhero movies. Every Batman movie, game, and piece of media will have at least one part of it dedicated to "My parents died in a robbery". Every Spiderman movie except for Homecoming, apparently, is "My uncle died because a robber shot him". Every Superman movie is "My home planet blew up."

Superhero movies are enough into the public consciousness now that we don't need origin stories for them all unless they're from a really obscure hero, like Doctor Strange or someone like that.

Star Trek: Beyond

I still need to see that.

I thought it was pretty good.

Clearly, so did Jeremy.

Oh really? Normally videos that long have a lot of sins to them.

I don't know if sin count necessarily is inversely proportional to how much he likes the movie. I can't remember any specific examples, though.

As they said long ago on their video about their channels, the number of sins is not an indicator of quality of a movie, nor do sins have to make sense.

I do remember he kinda went pretty light on Pocahontas, considering that movie is garbage.

Definitely the most sins reductions for Actually Pretty Funny moments I've seen in their videos.

"Sin count is not indicative of quality" used to be a pretty good rule for their channel, but it does seem like nowadays movies he considers better get sinned less. Probably happened about the same time his videos started getting longer.

edited 13th Dec '16 4:48:27 PM by achilles_heel

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