Fuck you, Fascist sympathizers
It's something, certainly. I have to think this is a ploy by Erdogan to shore up international support while he's going around trying to ban/prosecute Twitter and other social media outlets.
Indiana Solo
Well, it's not WORSE. It's a step away from the wrong direction, not exactly a step in the right one. maybe it's a game of twister.
either way, wouldn't exactly call it good. It's like a Japanese PM just visiting one of those war shrines but not leaving flowers or something.
edited 24th Apr '14 8:48:08 PM by Joesolo
I'm baaaaaaack
Too little and way too fuckin' late. Come back when you've got the guts to offer a real apology, Erdoğan.
scratching at .8, just hopin'
Acknowledge the progress, don't stop demanding more. Genocide is genocide, Erdogan.
Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
HGW XX/7
Doesn't convince me, won't convince the Armenians, and won't convince the EU.
Must try harder, old boy.
Schild und Schwert der Partei
Are there any Turkish politicians that fully acknowledge the genocide and put the blame solely on their ancestors' actions?
edited 25th Apr '14 7:44:46 AM by Quag15
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They'd be thrown in prison for doing so, though I've heard the grandson of Djemal Pasha (a member of the Young Turks and one of the orchestrators of the genocide) acknowledges it.
There are some Kurdish politicians in Turkey who acknowledge it, on the other hand, like the mayor of Diyarbakir.
edited 25th Apr '14 2:50:08 PM by Surenity
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Is it still actually illegal to acknowledge the genocide? Or was that a law about attacking the Turkish military?
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
Denigrating "the Turkish nation" as a whole, apparently. It's Article 301 of the Turkish penal code, and is controversial among themselves for it.
And let's not forget that other Christian minority groups, like Greeks and Assyrians, were prosecuted as well back then. The government even encouraged minority groups, who were Muslims, like the Kurds, to prosecute the Christians.
This law is, itself, denigrating the Turkish nation. It makes it look like a susceptible, tantrum-happy brat.
"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/178252/
For those unaware, the years of 1915-1923 saw a dying Ottoman Empire attempt to eradicate it's Armenian minority through massacres and deportations that historians overwhelmingly refer to as a genocide. Yesterday the Prime Minister of Turkey, a country that has since denied the genocide ever took place, offered "condolences" to Armenians, while making it clear that he doesn't believe it was a genocide, and sprinkling his backhanded pseudo-apology with his usual denialist narrative (it was World War I, everyone suffered, blah blah blah and so forth).
While most Armenians are calling BS on the statement, I think it represents a small bit of progress. Armenians deserve recognition and apologies from the Turkish government not only for the genocide but for the 99 years spent lying about it, however,condolences are at least a small step in the right direction. But the "everyone suffered" excuse isn't going to be enough, Erdogan. There were victims, and there were perpetrators. But I'm sure those poor Turkish soldiers got terrible sunburn while they were marching Armenians into the Syrian desert to die, the poor souls.
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