Yuugiou Arc-V/ Yu-gi-oh! Arc-V

IIRC Pegasus didn't exactly create the cards for that one filler arc with the Seal of Orichalcos and stuff too (and why would he...I mean there are things with infinite ATK in that)

but anyway seriously I think action duels give great importance to the holograms

not just because you go through the environment getting action cards, but because others things may be relevant (like an attack not being successful until it actually physically strikes successfully)

I mean as far back as duelist kingdom we had things like Yugi fusing Mammoth Graveyard into a 3000 x 3 ATK BEUD to form a malfusion'd monster that definitely wouldn't exist as an actual card (duelist kingdom in general is crazy but I mean that part SPECIFICALLY is relevant to some of the newer cheating like cards that shouldn't exist)

edited 11th Apr '14 11:01:34 AM by KirigayaKazuto

MMORPGs are serious business.

To be honest, Action Duels feel like they would be a great concept if it were a completely original card game, really. One that placed importance on the terrain and wasn't confined to the rules of Yugioh. Hell, even the Action Cards wouldn't be too bad of an idea. You could have monsters that specialise in traversing, utilising the field's resources...

Unfortunately, you can't exactly do that and still play Yugioh without screwing up a bunch of stuff.

So, what, exactly do you think it may screw up?

I don't mean like it's "advantage out of nowhere" even if we literally had action cards appear exactly when we want to, that doesn't sound like something that would conflict with a lot of rulings, even if it may feel unfair.

Also i'm pretty sure that action duels have no purpose whatsoever gameplay-wise without Action Cards unless they introduce more rules about the Action Duel irrelevant to those things.

edited 11th Apr '14 1:03:17 PM by KirigayaKazuto

MMORPGs are serious business.

Well, I've already pointed out the timing issues they can cause. There's also how most attacks would be treated. If you just outrun an immobile monster and duck behind a rock, can it even declare an attack?

And I really don't think the Action Cards are necessary at all. Having the duelists fly/run around with their monsters is already pretty damn cool. Plus there's actual cards that would serve the same purpose as them anyway.

I mean there's no reason to fly/run around if there's nothing to get from doing it, unless you're like Yuya and particularly feel like entertaining the audience.

I'm sincerely not sure about how that works, though it shouldn't be a problem for ranged attackers (I can't remember anything immobile off the top of my head except Trent and that one Slyvan tree right now, though. And even then there are walking trees in fiction)

Timing issues like what? Like what Spell Speed they have? Something I noticed is that the two Action Cards used so far were literally Normal Spell Cards in appearance(it wasn't specifically designated an "Action Spell Card" or given any other special category) so i'd assume at least the ones we've been shown could be Spell Speed 1...but then, you can't use Normal Spell Cards on the opponent's turn, which does bring about confusion. I think that's less of a problem with Action Cards themselves and more of one with how they were labeled, though...

edited 11th Apr '14 2:05:10 PM by KirigayaKazuto

MMORPGs are serious business.

Episode 2 seems to clear up some of the questions about how Action Cards and dodging work. Without any actual spoilers: Action Cards appear to start a chain and can thus be negated. Also, the dodging action card triggered a monster's effect that activates if it battles and inflicts no battle damage, so one can presume that it's basically Waboku. Which is weird, since the card says it negates an attack.

Also, it seems that people can try to grab action cards as much as they want during a battle until the attack connects. The champion seems to try.

edited 13th Apr '14 11:53:33 AM by burnpsy

That you can grab as much action cards as you want during a phase already happened in episode 1 where he sacrificed 3 action cards for that one spellcard effect by grabbing new ones after inserting the previous one.

There's an enormous difference between during one phase and during one battle in game mechanics. What you can and can't activate between an attack being declared and damage being dealt has a slew of restrictions ans sub-steps involved.

edited 13th Apr '14 12:15:20 PM by burnpsy

Episode 2.

Starts with a bunch of analysists going all "Someone confirm what summoning method he just used!"

Strong Ishijima goes all "What the fuck?! Did he summon three monsters at once, including summoning a level 7 monster without tributing!? He can't do that!" which IS kind of calling out on cheating.

Yuya doesn't even know how to Pendulum Summon, and his audience doesn't know Pendulum Cards are even a specific thing before he explains.

After they show what Pendulum Cards are to Yuya's audience, the audience is all like "WTF man, you can't Pendulum Summon without Pendulum Cards? But you're the only one who has them! Isn't that unfair?!" They also notice that Pendulum Summons did not exist from the beginning (presumably since Yuya is the only one that has these cards, and therefore nothing else has ever been advertised about it) and two girls say "He would go as far as doing that(using unfair means) to defeat the champion? I guess that's going to be how it is with a coward's son"

It seems the only reason why it isn't cheating would be because the system was able to interpret his actions as legal.

Also, we don't learn much about Action Duels this time around either. Something tells me they're never going to explain how that works, if only for writing convenience(so they don't actually have to think about as many rules.) They also introduced no new Action Cards.

edited 13th Apr '14 3:11:08 PM by KirigayaKazuto

MMORPGs are serious business.

"Pulling out just the right card at a crucial moment to give me a boost/pull off this strategy" is a Yu Gi Oh staple. All Action Cards do is give that a context beyond "believing in my deck" stuff.

So it works for me.

My name has nothing to do with Psychonauts.

Any place to watch this subbed?

Sadly not. As I'd predicted earlier, the anime fell behind in terms of subs. Quicker than I expected, even.

So, I decided to watch Episode 2 without the need of subs. This is the first time I'm watching something raw. I was able to get the gist of it. Is it because I know an university's worth of Japanese, or is it because it was easy to decipher. Whatever, yay!

• Pendulum Summon, a new concept to all, including Yuya, as demonstrated by his summoning fail. Sadly, everyone thought Yuya was a hack once it came out in the open. Well, not everyone.
• Pendulum Monsters remind me of Trap Monsters.

The episode's subbed now.

I wonder how long they're going to go with the deconstruction of New Powers as the Plot Demands until they inevitably embrace it like the others shows. The next episode looks to be about the guy from the opening trying to steal Yuya's Pendulum Monsters, so I guess part of the opening story arc's going to be the Leo Corporation or whoever's in charge of Duel Monsters now trying to replicate the mechanic so that everyone can use it.

Some of the audience members acted like they've never seen swarm tactics before.

The local Kaiba expy seems very Kaiba.

edited 18th Apr '14 10:52:43 PM by ComicX6

I love how long it took everyone to decide Yuya was cheating. And why is Pendulum Summoning accepted by the duel disks, anyway? Either you can get away with making up your own summoning rules ("Dude, of course I can summon 5 Blue-Eyes cards! It's... er... Beatdown Summon!"), but that seems unlikely, given it could recognise an illegal Pendulum Summon, so... whoever makes those disks in this setting must be the true creator of them or something.

Also, Evade seems to work by targeting the attacking monster to negate its attack. Well, that's that mystery solved, at least.

Figuring out how did the system recognized Pendulum Summoning seems to be the plot now. Consider that Reiji was like "WTF" when Pendulum Summon was allowed by the system.

I found it strange that they actually monitors high level monster summoning.

The scene where they were monitoring different types of summons reminded me of Symphogear so much.

GUNGNIR, DATO!?

Episode three, where we learns that Yuya is a seventh grader who amazingly didn't have his peers buzzing around him, Yuzu is the most mature of the gang, Sora is such a cutie, and the story writer intend to include every summoning technique.

This will probably be the last time we actually see Yuzu in a duel....

Or winning one, since Yugioh seems to have a huge problem with letting female duelists win important duels.

Way to blow all the good will you earned Yuya!! How did you not know those cards were different from other ones when you used them.

One Strip! One Strip!

Subs out, sort of.

Wait, didn't the pendant also changed Odd Eyes into a pendulum monster? Shingo only took Chrono and Astro, which means that Yuya still have one pendulum monster. How come Reiji didn't take notice of that?

Dissing Six Sumarai? That's totally gonna end in your favour, Shingo.

The series has been self referential so far. Maybe it will be different for Yuzu. I didn't watch ZEXAL, so Rio isn't strong enough?

I can honestly see why they are monitering weird summoning, like synchros dstroyed the world in another timeline, and xyz's/numbers had the bad guys fusing earth with another world to destroy both. they probably just want to stop whatever shit pendulum will bring before it happens.

Oh hey, Hungry Burger. It always warms my heart to see cards in newer series that I recognize from back when I was actively interested in the game, like in 5Ds when Luciano used Torrential Tribute or when Crow got punk'd by Dragon Capture Jar.

Just saw the first two episodes yesterday and this is shaping up to be my favourite series so far. I mean, it's basically pro wrestling. The over-the-top showmanship, the outfits, the fact that Yuzu used wrestling terminology (or at least is translated as such)... Really enjoying this. I'll inevitably get pissed when it becomes another "we gotta save the world" thing, but I'm going to enjoy the wrasslin' theatrics while I can.

Shame that Yuya falls into the pitfall of "disappeared dad" like every other YGO protag. But hey, his mom's still around. And is quite the fox.

edited 21st Apr '14 10:35:20 AM by EviIPaladin

"Evii is right though" -Saturn "I didn't know you were a bitch Evii." -Lior Val

Here's something that I think hasn't been mentioned yet - the music of the series, which I will say has been awesome. There are a lot of tracks so far that are both catchy and I think fit really well with the energetic, clowny series we've got so far.

I looked it up and it's actually the same composer that scored Code Geass.