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rexpensive Since: Feb, 2014
#1: Mar 25th 2014 at 2:51:51 PM

Vile Villain, Saccharine Show's definition is mostly about cutesy Sugar Bowl worlds with shockingly dark villains, but a couple of the examples are just comedies with shockingly dark villains. Like, fairly mature comedies not kid's comedies. Galaxy Quest is listed. My instinct is to say this is wrong, but maybe I am thinking too narrowly? The description says "lighthearted" which could potentially still be mature, I guess.

For reference: "this trope is about villains in normally lighthearted fiction that are so disturbing, or even terrifying, on some level that they kind of clash with the tone of the show/game/whatever."

I suppose as long as the tone-clash is apparent it could be considered the same trope, but I am conflicted. Any thought?

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#2: Mar 25th 2014 at 7:03:08 PM

We don't have a trope for "unexpectedly nasty villain in a comedy", so this gets used for that a lot. I'm inclined to chalk it up as Tropes Are Flexible, since the important point, like you said, is more the tonal clash then the work being "saccharine" specifically.

I will note, though, that I say this as a lumper.

bibwrecks Since: Feb, 2014
#3: Apr 11th 2014 at 2:34:30 PM

I sort of disagree with the above. It seems like the Sugar Bowl/saccharine aspect is really important to the definition.

Also, isn't "nasty villain" anywhere just an example of creating drama successfully? Even comedies needs this element to drive plot.

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