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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#1: Mar 18th 2014 at 1:20:02 AM

Created this YKTTW: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=1jce2plihdc87on0qls9p46k and was told about this index. But this has some problems that I found:

  • Name is a bad Snowclone of Red Index, Blue Index and Red Oni, Blue Oni.
  • Name and description appear to make it about fish. (Added a thing to make that more apparent)
  • Unclear description (besides the fish)
  • "that however is a subindex of this index.". Actually sounds like the opposite is true based of the names.
  • Adding to above, not sure if there's any limits to what can be included. If none, could be Peoplesit On Chairs.

Either this can be overhauled, or a Trope Transplant with my YKTTW. Also, should I make a sandbox of how I think this should look like?

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#2: Mar 18th 2014 at 6:57:24 AM

Name's a Bad Snowclone of One Fish, Two Fish, Red Fish, Blue Fish, not the things you listed.

The description, anemic as it is, is pretty clearly not about fish. It's easy enough to glean what it's about based on the examples, but the description doesn't define it... like... at all.

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theAdeptRogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#3: Mar 18th 2014 at 7:18:50 AM

Huh, the only line of actual description here is "Two great tastes, better together!" which is exceedingly vague, and not helped by the ambiguous name. What does fishes even have to do with the theme of tropes listed anyway? It might be alright if we have an established definition of metaphorical fish (like Tropey the Wonder Dog), but I don't believe we do.

Also, shouldnt the Good X Evil X tropes go into Good and Evil for Your Convenience rather than this trope? Since those pages are about visual representation of good and evil characteristics rather than "two opposing/differing aspects of something that appear together in a dynamic"

edited 22nd Mar '14 10:15:26 PM by theAdeptrogue

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4: Mar 18th 2014 at 7:20:15 AM

This is an index about tropes which express contrasts. But the description is sucky.

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Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#6: Mar 24th 2014 at 4:24:18 AM

Actually it appears to me like it may be intended to apply specifically to tropes that have a "Thing One Comma Thing Two" title.

Hence the fact that the description is also in that style.

It has nothing to do with Red Oni, Blue Oni other than the fact that said trope is an example of this naming style.

edited 24th Mar '14 4:24:30 AM by Catbert

theAdeptrogue iRidescence Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#7: Mar 24th 2014 at 5:30:40 AM

[up]And what is the purpose of such index, really? If it's just a grouping of tropes based on its name rather than the actual definition of the trope, then it's meaningless.

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#8: Mar 24th 2014 at 7:47:03 PM

[up] Honestly, I find myself asking that question of a lot of indexes. I see them come through YKTTW and I think "do we really need this index" but I guess it's not a viable issue so they wind up getting made anyway.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Mar 24th 2014 at 11:04:54 PM

We do have an advice page Search-Generated Index, although it only applies to specific circumstances.

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lexicon Since: May, 2012
#10: Mar 25th 2014 at 1:31:51 AM

A Search Generated Index is a few tropes with just a word in common. This is a list of opposites. It's just as valid as Duo Tropes.

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#11: Mar 25th 2014 at 1:55:18 AM

^That index you said should have a valid definition that doesn't make us question why it's even here? The only this thread is about however, I'm not sure because the definition isn't clear.

DAN004 Chair Man from The 0th Dimension Since: Aug, 2010
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#12: Mar 25th 2014 at 4:33:09 PM

[up][up] and Mr. Spacemarine has made a YKTTW with a clearer description and purpose for it.

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#14: May 3rd 2014 at 2:31:11 AM

Clock is set.

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