CW's Flash

So, bottom line, Wells really is a pure jerk that only helps Barry because he is a guinea pig in order for him to restore his powers, and has no redeeming quality whatsoever?

Not sure if I think it is a good idea.

I think it's a great idea.

The manipulation is positively hilarious considering how idiotically loyal Barry is to him. It's going to be crushing when the turnaround happens.

He may not have known Barry by name, but he's seen him without his mask. Also knows that STAR Labs is involved with the Flash.

edited 28th Jan '15 4:58:45 AM by GethKnight

I had been letting my kids watch this show with me, but I'm starting to rethink that since it's broaching some topics that aren't quite age appropriate, which is a shame since they've been enjoying the show. Some of the violence depicted is pushing it (and I won't let them watch Arrow at all because there's so much more on that show), but supervillains zapping people with electricity or freeze rays is unrealistic enough that I haven't been too worried about them watching it. Iris and Eddie's living arrangements (to pick one example) raise questions that I'd rather wait until they're older to discuss.

And maybe it's just because I rarely watch tv any more, but I was a little surprised to hear Cisco refer to Hartley as a "dick" on broadcast tv. I guess I'm just out of touch with what language is allowed over the air these days.

out of curiosity's sake...your kids age group?

In other news, Cartoon Network has allowed the word "crap" to be used freely on some of its shows for the past few years. The times, they are a'changin'.

The times are indeed changing.

3of4: My kids are 5 and 10. If it was just the 10 year old, she's getting to the age where she's encountering more adult topics (and the teenage years are right around the corner, so that will kick into high gear soon). But it's hard to let one watch without the other, so I have to keep in mind what's appropriate for both. That will have to change soon, but we're not quite there yet.

Them's the perils of a 5 year gap between kids. :)

edited 28th Jan '15 7:32:59 AM by andersonh1

Ah, I understand then. I may not have kids yet but I would have the same concerns as you. Five is just too early for some things.

First look at the two Tricksters.

Gotta say I'm surprised they went full-on comic booky with it.

I don't really like those costumes. Mark's is a bit more subtle, but I hate the other guy's.

The mask reminds me of The Comedian. I'm sure it'll look better with him standing and moving around.

So I just watched the show. Really writers? The gay villain has a music theme?

Also why the hell is he in the pipeline? He's not a metahuman.

At least Pied Piper named himself. If that name had been forced on him by Cisco or someone else, there would've been some Unfortunate Implications.

Also, was Pied Piper gay in the comics? Because if this show's going to make every camp supervillain gay, then I think about half the population of the DC universe is flaming...

edited 28th Jan '15 1:57:02 PM by spashthebandragon

I guess it's better than making Bivolo gay.

I'm kind of surprised Piper didn't break out the other villains to distract Team Flash.

To be fair, Pied Pier is gay in the comics too. This is not Adaptional Sexuality or so.

He's actually one of the first gay DC characters if I remember correctly.

(He's also the one rogue who's had a Heel–Face Turn that stuck, so I kinda expect him to do that too in Flash at some point?)

Maybe if Wells is Evil, he'll replace him in Season 2 as Physics smart guy.

edited 28th Jan '15 2:02:56 PM by 3of4

That would make Cisco redundant whenever he becomes Vibe. At best I forsee an Enemy Mine.

Edit: Oh my god that's probably the reason they made him antagonistic to Cisco. Piper and Vibe will be rivals.

edited 28th Jan '15 2:05:46 PM by Kostya

Pied Piper is gay in the comics. He is actually dating Captain Singh in the comics.

After they made him gay in the comics he actually started being an ally for the Flash.

edited 28th Jan '15 2:07:00 PM by Halberdier17

Ah, I see. Thanks. Good to know this show's being faithful to the source material, then.

It's not like they need to be faithful to the material. They already changed things around by making the West family black and making Cisco and Caitlin employees of Star Labs.

It doesn't have to be a shot-for-shot remake of the comics. I'm just saying, y'know, it's good that it uses elements from the comics sometimes.

edited 28th Jan '15 2:27:07 PM by spashthebandragon

Yes....and after the funfest with Constantine just imagine the hellfire they'd unleashed if they made Hartley not gay :P?

@Tricksters:

I like the Axel Walker Trickster costume - he's supposed to be the young poser copycatting the Trickster's image to make a name for himself, whereas James Jesse is the old, real Trickster who actually knows what he's doing, right? It makes sense that the upstart would look like he's... trying too hard.

Also, he's got more of a Sound theme than music. He's not destroying stuff with music, just sound waves.

Did they put Hartley in the pipeline just in case he doesn't join Captain Cold's team?

Maybe they put him there just to question him about Harrison Wells before they took him to the police; at the end the left him their because they might have figured in prison he could possibly escape.