CW's Flash

Regardless of the circumstances, containing the explosion is still a big deal.

they could at least start sending out emails instead of jumping right to "risky plan that could kill Barry" or do both at the same time. it seems to me like while Team Flash was trying to figure out a solution that didn't involve possibly killing barry or risking blowing up the city, Harry was not sharing information he had and being a petulant child because they questioned his very shitty judgement. he could have put some of that time to better use.

There being no "Plan B" is starting tto be trend with these guys.

Hell, Ollie's stupid infiltration plan was better thought out, and he was making shit up as he went along at one point.

But it's important to note that a big part of his plan was call in the dude with super speed.

So Stupid Evil Awesome Oliver Queen is better at planning things out than the entirety of Team Flash.

That's pretty sad.

I seem to recall someone saying Barry should be nothing like Oliver.

Besides, it's not like getting Barry's normal backup will be of help. Plus Firestorm and pretty much anyone else he would call are gone.

edited 4th May '16 10:15:53 PM by Cross

Sending emails to who? Sadly I don't think they can simply get in contact with beings who they hope are powerful enough to stop Zoom. Barry was their best bet.

Their best two ways to thwart him so far were trapping Zoom in another dimension or Barry beating him in speed. The origins of stupid here are Cisco for knowingly reintroducing a solved problem and Barry for willingly giving away his powers to a known psycho with no forethought to the consequences. Harry literally has no other choice thanks to their stupidity and he knew it's a Godzilla Threshold. He didn't do it because he wanted to, he did it because the others summoned the monster that Godzilla is needed to beat then fed it more power.

edited 4th May '16 10:31:16 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

I mean they still have the time vault, that's apparently secure enough that they don't think Zoom could get in, so why not trick him inside and lock the door behind him? Sure given time he'd get out, but done you've locked Zoom in the time vault you pump it full of gas/acid or electrify the floor/walls or just flood the room and drown Zoom.

Zoom probably would've phased through the wall. Sure it would've taken a while to get the correct frequency of Earth-1 to vibrate through the wall.

Barry was able to do it on Earth-2 after a few tries.

Zoom had no reason to suspect that anyone was hiding in the time vault.

No, I think Thawne made it out of something a speedster can't phase through. But good luck into tricking a speedster into a vault with a door that closes relatively slowly. The only way I could see it working is if they used a hologram to make him think someone is in there with him while they close the door.

After Captain Boomerang managed to evade Barry with a smoke bomb, anything's possible.

In all seriousness though, why is the team's biggest asshole now the most rational member?

be dark for a family show, but if they could set up some very thin, very strong, very sharp low strung wires in the cortex hallways and trick him into running through....bit hard to run in your feet have been amputated. The suit might withstand the first few, he might dodge others, but enough of them, strong and thin and slicey enough.....

Still something else productive for Harry to contemplate rather than whining about how no one wants to do his incredibly dangerous plan (it wasn't until after they'd shot it down multiple times that he told them why he thought he could make it less deadly bc he had Other Well's notes, like dude maybe you should have led with that instead of expecting them to trust you blindly when you suggest potentially blowing up the city)

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Harry's highly intelligent, he's very familiar with what Zoom is capable of, and he's a rational thinker on any subject that doesn't involve Jessie's safety. He warned the team against opening the rifts and against giving up Barry's speed. They ignored him both times, because they have more of a Hero Complex than he does. So he had to come up with desperate measures to deal with the situation.

Harry's also a basically good person; to pick one example, he put his life on the line by impersonating someone he'd never met in order to save Caitlin from Grodd, when he didn't even know her all that well.

None of which stops him from being an abrasive jerk a lot of the time.

And none of which changes the fact that I'm surprised the episode didn't end with Joe and Henry beating him to within an inch of his life. We know Barry's not dead, but they don't.

edited 5th May '16 11:16:09 AM by Galadriel

We agreed it would be a group thing with each person taking turns, but Joe chooses to go last since he punched him before.

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Ah. Well... well put.

Man, what is it with Barry disappearing in a burst of light right when Wally could use some serious help figuring out the whole superheroing thing.

I do like the cute nod to Crisis, though.

As to who to email..

.. "Everyone."..

Well, not email, because a mass email just ends up in the spam filters. But.. Wells knows that Earth one has a very large number of metahumans that are currently just living their lives. Presumably because the typical reaction to getting the ability to start fires with your mind is to explore what that can be used for in the field of Molecular Gastronomy or whatever else was your field of interest before.

He also knows Zoom is going to zoom around and threaten the every single one of them into becoming his minions and killing people that refuse. The odds are really very good at least one person got a power that is a hard counter to superspeed. Like, oh, the ability to make pianowire transparent or similar. So. Iris has media contacts. Tell the world exactly who zoom is, exactly what his powers are, what his likely plan is and see if there is someone out there who would be willing and able to throw Zoom in a cage (or a grave) before he shows up to fuck with that person.

especially with the odds like they are: the Flashes allies are mostly still alive. Zoom's minions/ forcibly kidnapped victims have all died at this point. it's not like Zoom's gonna let you do what you want. maybe you can do a little petty crime, but you'll be his /slave/ for all intents and purposes. at least with Team Flash, it's all your own choice. if they haven't been criminaling it up in the last year or so, I'm sure some of them at least would rather just go to church on sunday and keep out of the limelight, and they don't wanna be Zoom's murder puppet.

I have no issue with any of the choices here, there really were no better options they could reasonably deal with. Only issue for me is the show expecting us to believe for a moment Barry isn't going to come back. We all know what happened, he got super charged and merged with the Speed Force, given what I hear about the preview, likely going to be him undergoing some inner conflict and coming to some big conclusion about himself that pulls him back. Or knowing The Flash, his need to be there for his family.

Well that and, as pointed out. HE WAS COVERED WITH CHEMICALS! NOT INJECTED!

Official description for 2.23 "The Race of his Life"

The description is actually not that descriptive, they usually have massive spoilers but it doesn't have any.

Barry is stuck in a flash-back until he drops the emotional baggage that's tying him to it.

Eh, "The Race of His Life" is kind of a boring title. I always liked the old Mark Millar-Grant Morrison titles that they came up with, like "The Human Race" and "Emergency Stop."

I mentioned The Human Race in the DC thread. I probably should have brought it up here as well.

But that's a Wally story. Keep Barry away from it. That one is Wally's moment.

Remember Krakkl. May he rest in peace.

Barry already made out with Linda Park and made Hunter Zolomon his arch-nemesis.

They're determined to not let Wally do Wally things is what I'm saying

I'd laugh if they gave Wally Inertia as an archenemy instead.

Anyway, I finally just watched the most recent episode. Even beyond the whole disappeared into the speed force thing, there's a lot of interesting stuff in this one. We get confirmation that Zoom intends to turn Caitlin evil and make her like Killer Frost, which imo now makes the whole "Caitlin becomes a heroic Killer Frost" idea a lot more likely. We get confirmation that there's actually a ton of metahumans still around in Earth-1 even though we've seen very few this year.

The hologram thing was awesome, and if Mirror Master turns out to be tech based rather than a meta (I really hope so), I'd love for the idea to come back again (that is, that MM is using his own hologram tech to fool the heroes, and they figure out his game because they've done something similar before). And unlike most of the other times the Arrowverse heroes have done something stupid that made things worse for them, the decision to use the Particle Accelerator was well written and made sense by the time Barry finally decided to do it - plus it only looks bad (well, it's still bad, but it's not as bad as it seems).

Though of course, this all once again comes at the expense of the Villain of the Week: Rupture's barely even in the episode.

edited 7th May '16 1:52:40 AM by KnownUnknown

I was thinking at the very end that I'm not sure of any tv series that has ended an episode with the hero seemingly vaporized (starting with skin flaking off his face) in an experiment they fully agreed to participate in of their own choice, and everyone is stunned silent thinking they killed the protagonist. We obviously know there is more to what happened, but I give the episode credit for not softening the blow with The Stinger revealing everything is okay.

^ I hadn't thought that the hologram trick could be a foreshadowing of Mirror Master. That, in combination with Hartley being a genius equal to/surpassing the Star Labs team, could result in an accidental technological discovery that becomes Mirror Master's MO.

edited 7th May '16 2:03:15 AM by KJMackley