CW's Flash

Anyone else get the vibe that when they get Henry's name cleared, he'll be the Wells for the team?

That's brilliant actually, two of his most defining roles, and a third if you count the star wars reference.

Probably, I wouldn't put money on it.

Oh hey, I was wondering what S.T.A.R. stood for.

I posted that a week or two ago when you asked. Though I wasn't sure I only said if it was like the comics than that is what it would mean.

Wasn't sure if the show was using that or if they were going to go with something different. Like how Firestorm is an acronym in the show.

Well that was something else.

And from those previews, it looks like everybody is getting in on the action.

I do wonder if Ollie's and Barry's stories are gonna combine now. In fact, I've been considering the idea that The League of Assassins have been keeping an eye on the Metahuman situation, and are already getting counter measures ready for Barry.

And Joe and Quentin are going to meet. It's just gonna be nuts.

And yeah, Trickster is mad tricky. I loved the whole thing.

I wonder how Barry will/would react should Ollie tell him the full story. Hell, I wonder how Ollie will react to the whole Reverse Flash situation.

Maybe he already knows, given how much he tries to stay abreast of the Flash's situations (and the Felicity connection), but I doubt he's been letting the information flow the other way.

"You're thinking about taking over what? You know they're called the League of Assassins, right?"

Seriously, though - I think a scene like that would end with Ollie reaffirming that he would never become Ra's, and the two having a Superman/Batman-esque "if you ever go rogue, you can count on me to stop you. Can I count on you to do the same?" moment.

We're probably going to see at least one of the Tricksters again, since Trickster is a classic member of the Rogues, but I'm guessing it's going to be Axel instead of James - Axel didn't actually give much of himself this episode, but it was a noticeable introduction.

Or maybe the two Tricksters will be their own team until approached by Snart - they did end the episode on better terms than I was expecting.

edited 31st Mar '15 6:50:55 PM by KnownUnknown

Who was that pasty guy with no hair in the pipeline during the teaser? Seems the pipeline will get a prison break, if that was Mist. Also, mam I mistaken in thinking the next new episode won't be till the 14th?

No new episode next week because they need to finish at a certain date but starting April 14th there wouldn't be anymore breaks.

Mark Waid has a nerdgasm about tonight's episode.

I've been watching the show with my 14 year old sister. She has a serious hate on for Harrison Wells. Now understand, my sister is one of the nicest most inoffensive people I've ever met but after tonights episode she wants to do unspeakable things to Wells. Seriously, heart ripping out was mentioned.

I think she's pretty justified.

Yeah, Eobard is a villain roundly despised by other villains, his not-working-well-with-others seconded only by the Joker, who in a way appeared tonight. In the comic book build up to Flashpoint, some of the things he did were dick-ish on huge levels as he messed with Barry's history, even after his mother's murder.

In fact, that makes me wonder if an ep where Eobard screws over the Rogues isn't in the offing.

I'm curious as to how much of this is his responsibility? The Particle Accelerator wasn't supposed to be till 2020, right? How was Barry the Flash without it? Was he always going to get struck and in this new timeline it's chalked up to the PA going boom?

My guess is the accelerator accident would have still happened, but Harrisbard Thells just cause it to happen early. This was all going to happen, and Thawne, if you will all pardon the pun, sped up the process.

Which means that many of the things that have happened to Barry since his mom's death, including meeting Ollie, probably did not happen in the original timeline.

[[spoiler: In the first timeline, the Particle Accelerator went boom later down the line but Barry still became the Flash, probably got his regular Rogues Gallery in some way or another, and apparently Barry had Eobard as his archenemy for some time until Reverse Flash decided to get really dickish and try to kill him as a child. I'd assume that from Eobard's point of view this timeline is a lot like the day Barry repeated - everything looks similar but thinks are skewing in odd ways.

It's actually a shame this is all going to blow up in his face soon, since it would've been awesome for Eobard to meet himself the first time, from when he first came back in time before becoming Reverse Flash. Unfortunately, the revelation in this episode means that if it does happen in the future, it won't be Cavanaugh who plays that role.

Also, Eobard's extreme lack of empathy for anyone from the past is getting very creepy. Or rather, got very creepy in the past. I wonder how much worse Thawne was before this little trip to Barry's time and living Wells' life, cause I'm willing to bet being Wells has actually mellowed him out some - terrifying as that may sound. When he kills Cisco he at least sounds like he regrets it in some way. When he kills Wells and his wife, he doesn't bat an eye.

Well, this episode was really something. Definitely a contender for best episode of the series so far... except everything that wasn't the Trickster or the flashbacks was cheesy and stupid and involved the characters acting like idiots (THEY CAN TELL EDDIE BUT NOT IRIS? WHY? WWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYY?). So I ended up having a love-hate relationship with this episode. But the plot's advancing in leaps and bounds, so it's definitely not all bad.

Now I'm just worried the writers are gonna resolve the main plot way too soon and we'll end up with a Post-Script Season like Arrow's crappy season 3...

Also, now I'm really curious about what the original timeline with no time travel was like. We already know Flash eventually changed his logo to have a white circle instead of a red one and there was a Wayne-Queen corp merger. Maybe Flash and Arrow had already joined the Justice League by then?

edited 31st Mar '15 9:03:38 PM by spashthebandragon

They actually present a decent reason for telling as few people as possible in this episode, at least in contrast to Arrow which had many of Ollie's close friends and family suffer for as long as possible through not knowing his many secrets before said secrets are forced out of him.

The only reason they even told Eddie in the first place is because he was already involved, and because the needed him to stop Iris - who is not already involved - from suffering the same fate as Mason Bridge. Here, it might even be less that Iris is someone they love and more that she's a reporter, a damn good one who is unlikely to compromise her integrity for her own safety, who is on the trail of someone who will kill her the very instant he believes she is even close to knowing too much. She's actually a lot like Mason in that regard, which in this case is a bad thing. Makes me wonder how many bodies have been left in the wake of this craziness already.

Note that, if the previews are true, Joe also doesn't tell Lance how serious the case is until after they discover something that Lance cannot ignore or have hidden from him, and which as such requires Lance to know in order to protect himself. I figure if things had progressed like in the first timeline and Iris had found out about Mason's research, they would've told her in this timeline for similar reasons.

Of course, there's the usual reason for why one should tell secrets like this - Reverse Flash has threatened Iris already, so she ought to know what she's in danger from. But the secrecy now isn't It's Not You, It's My Enemies, its more like covert stuff. And I'm honestly surprised they aren't all dead yet, because they're really bad at it even with only three of them to worry about (we're still including Cisco on this, right? I missed the first few episodes last week and never saw how they resolved "Cisco is suspicious again" in the current timeline). They've been ludicrously lucky for Wells not to suspect that they're onto him yet.

edited 31st Mar '15 9:51:08 PM by KnownUnknown

Wells probably does suspect, but since he can't kill Barry, he does nothing. He doesn't kill Joe, cause if Joe dies under any mysterious circumstances, he'll be the first suspect, and Barry will come after him before Wells is ready with his big plan.

I think not telling Iris is idiotic and poorly thought out. If they're worried about her being in danger from asking questions, just tell her everything. "Barry is The Flash, and yes, Wells is a bad guy and he likely killed your reporter friend, and that's why it's very important that we avoid letting Wells know we're onto him. If you run across anything of interest, or anything that indicates possible criminal or metahuman activity that Barry should know about, then tell us, and all of us can decide what to do together. From here on out, you're on the team, if you want to be. And if you don't want to be on the team, then just don't investigate Wells any further, and we'll take things from here. Either way, you've already got Barry on speed dial - if anything goes wrong, call and he'll be there in a flash *badpun*."

As is, she already suspects something about Wells, and all it takes is her running across another piece of evidence to lead her to start investigating him again and be in danger.

Telling Iris wouldn't an issue if you assume she won't attempt to help in any way, but she will.

During the fight with Eobard, what was the color of the Flash's insignia?

Of course, another problem with the episode is that Mark Hamill completely stole the thunder from the new Trickster. They're obviously setting up for the new Trickster to be the recurring villain here since he's much cheaper to hire than Mr. Star Wars Protagonist, and, really, the new Trickster just sucks in comparison to the old one. I mean, anyone would suck in comparison to Mark Hamill, but this guy especially sucks.

edited 1st Apr '15 6:26:31 AM by spashthebandragon

Well, the new guy is just starting his Trickster career. He'll probably get into his own once he gets out from Jesse James' shadow.

Hey, at least the new Trickster actor got Mark Hamill to hug him and kiss him on the forehead during the "son reveal" thing. How many people get to say they've been kissed by Mark Hamill?

I hope we'll see Eddie arguing with Joe on why Iris should be told. Barry seemed initially not to tell Iris out of respect for Joe's wishes, so I wonder if he'll side with Joe or Eddie.