Crisis in Ukraine:

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2001 Achaemenid19th Mar 2014 07:56:03 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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There's quite a lot of that in European history. But yeah, the Tartars have not, historically, drawn the long straw.
I suppose it's only natural for me to relate it to American history. It all seems very reminiscent of the stereotypical scene where the settlers are all celebrating the fact that they've just become a state and how America is fulfilling its "manifest destiny" and occasionally someone thinks, "Oh yeah, the Indians. I guess we'll have to move them or whatever."
Is Russia just fated to repeat all our mistakes or something?
If it fancies itself America's rival, then of course it would :)

Especially as half of our "justification" for this whole mess is "We were just following America's example"

For a country so focused on rejecting the "Western" influence we seem ridiculously prone to borrowing the worst examples
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2004 FFShinra19th Mar 2014 09:19:24 AM from Ivalice, apparently , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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I think it's meant as a sort of reverse psychology to get the US to stop its own great power games. Which, in turn, leaves Russia to do its own thing.

In a way, it's working. If Europe wasn't already taking point on this issue, this would have been another Georgia, where the US had taken point...only to have Europe be the one to actually get a solution with the ceasefire.
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2005 DeMarquis19th Mar 2014 09:33:40 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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As far as Crimea is concerned, in one sense we dont need a "solution", the crisis is basically over, with just the mopping up to do (we dont yet know how the Ukrainian military personnel are going to get home, but apparently they have until Friday to figure it out).

On to the next crisis. Where will it be? It might actually be in Ukraine- esp. if Putin turns off the gas.
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Russian state television announced that Crimean authorities apprehended the sniper who scored both fatalities in the recent siege on the topography outpost. He's apparently a 17 year old from Lviv, speculated to be affiliated with Right Sector. Provocateur, maybe?

edited 19th Mar '14 9:35:09 AM by amitakartok

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[up]I'm sure that's how his confession will read, yes. Under the bloodstains.
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2008 GeekCodeRed19th Mar 2014 09:38:19 AM from City of the Damned , Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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So, a 17 year old made it across a closed border, found a sniper rifle, and started taking potshots at a base surrounded by Russian Soldiers.


In other news, Fertilizer prices drop as Russia shows off world's largest pile of bullshit.
Could he have happened to have been in Crimea before the border was closed?
Across the closed border? He might very well had already been in Crimea.

That being said, 17 year old sniper sounds very unlikely

Also, Russian news insist that one Russian soldier and one Crimean self-defence were also shot at the same encounter.

edited 19th Mar '14 9:47:13 AM by Beholderess

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2012 Achaemenid19th Mar 2014 11:10:14 AM from Blades , Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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Shut up and fix your economy, darling.
2013 Deadbeatloser2219th Mar 2014 11:20:06 AM from le Secret♪ , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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You're expecting a politician to do actual work?
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2015 Deadbeatloser2219th Mar 2014 11:33:56 AM from le Secret♪ , Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
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BBC BREAKING NEWS: Ukraine 'preparing withdrawal of troops from Crimea'

Ukraine is drawing up plans to withdraw its soldiers and their families from Crimea, the security and defence chief in Kiev says.

Andriy Parubiy said they wanted to move them "quickly and efficiently" to mainland Ukraine.
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2016 emuran19th Mar 2014 11:38:47 AM from the wild frontier , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
17 year old sniper from Lviv is as credible as the White Tights, I'm afraid.

Interesting that in Ukrainian media - if such an accusation is made, then photos and videos and names and other information that supports it appear. While in Russia, there's only vagueness. This particular news - denied.

One man of Crimean self-defense was killed - who is he? What is his name? What village/town did he come from? Where are his photos?

Instead we have lots of information about the shot Ukrainian (media already found his relatives, photos, etc.) and none about the shot Crimean.

[up] Should have done this a week ago and then this charade would not have happened.

Ukraine is leaving the CIS, by the way.

And don't know if the BBC misinterpreted or I missed something, but, in his briefing, Parubiy did not say anything about withdrawal of troops. He said they are drawing up plans to evacuate any civilian citizens that are feeling endangered in Crimea. He also called on Crimea to be declared a demilitarized zone.

edited 19th Mar '14 11:48:24 AM by emuran

2017 DeMarquis19th Mar 2014 11:47:25 AM from Hell, USA , Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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"Ukraine is leaving the CIS, by the way." No, really?

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2018 emuran19th Mar 2014 11:50:07 AM from the wild frontier , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up] Here it is seen as a huge step, with far more impact than breaking off diplomatic relations with Russia. That also means that Ukraine are leaving themselves with no other choice but the EU because of economic reasons. And no visa-free passage between Russia and Ukraine, as well.

The leader of the separatist "Donetsk republic" movement has been arrested for, well... separatism.

And Terminator-Yulya Tymoshenko has returned to Ukraine.

Still no commands given to the troops in Crimea. The situation with soldiers is paradoxical - they are allowed to shoot, but at the same time they can't shoot. As no war alert has been declared, only territory guards are allowed to shoot at trespassers, any other soldiers would be immediately court-martialed. Stupid situation.

The impression is that the Ukraine government is lagging behind a week in time. And they also seem to have no exact plan on what to do with Crimea.

edited 19th Mar '14 11:56:12 AM by emuran

Does it occur to anyone else that it will be easier for Ukraine to go in a pro-Western direction without the pro-Russia voting bloc in Crimea?
2020 emuran19th Mar 2014 12:54:02 PM from the wild frontier , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Does not matter. Pro-Russia bloc (Party of Regions and the Communists) already lost a huge part of their ratings due to the whole revolution thing, so they are not exactly a deciding political force now.

And I missed it, Parubiy did mention that evacuation plans will be developed the Cabinet of Ministers as soon as possible. Sorry.

And Russia's UN representative has just shown the Svoboda's deputies beating up the TV CEO as an example of "rampant fascism".

Actually, it is very interesting that a lot of the ultra-nationalist Svoboda's actions have played straight into the hands of Kremlin and its propaganda. Suspiciously so.

edited 19th Mar '14 1:01:31 PM by emuran

Hanlon's Razor, emuran.
2022 FFShinra19th Mar 2014 01:12:16 PM from Ivalice, apparently , Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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[up][up]That doesn't mean the pro-Russian side will cease to be. Whether that means forming another party or rehabilitating current parties, they will voice their interests whenever and wherever the Kiev government fails to meet them.

[up]Indeed.

EDIT- About the CIS, Kiev would have had to do that anyway if they signed up to the Association Agreement, at least vis a vis the more practical benefits of being part of the CIS in the first place, which is trade. Still, symbolic act and all that.

edited 19th Mar '14 1:14:47 PM by FFShinra

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2023 emuran19th Mar 2014 01:14:55 PM from the wild frontier , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
A bit too many coincidences for all this to be chalked up to stupidity.
2024 LeGarcon19th Mar 2014 01:16:58 PM from Skadovsk , Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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So either the Russians predicted how nazis like to act and their likely course of action and the nazis are dipshits.

Or they're just puppets for Russia so they have an excuse to go about annexing things.

Honestly both situations are pretty likely.
Oh really, when?
2025 emuran19th Mar 2014 01:19:35 PM from the wild frontier , Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
[up] You summed it up pretty well.

Miroshnychenko is now on Hromadske TV, alleging he "did not beat or use force against anyone" and accuses all the journalists "of showing a manipulative video that distorts the facts to discredit the party Svoboda, who has been defending the interests of Ukraine and Ukrainians". Dare I remind him that the video was filmed and first uploaded to the internet by his colleague Oleksandr Aronets.

Video in question.

To which TV anchorman Roman Skrypin answers - "If you want to defend the interests of Ukraine, do so in Crimea"

A fire has been put out near the headquarters of Maydan's self-defense. Will go and take a look at it.

There was an unsuccessful attempt to storm the Belbek Air Base this evening, according to the press release of the base. They are now streaming the situation live, but it seems calm so far, the Russians/Crimeans have retreated.

edited 19th Mar '14 1:57:15 PM by emuran


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