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#3151: Jun 27th 2015 at 9:29:03 PM

^ It is called I got busy and forgot. Also I am presently on paid vacation until Tuesday. I'll write up about it then.

Be prepared for a Wall of Text.

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#3152: Jun 28th 2015 at 2:23:55 PM

Got it. This should be interesting.

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#3153: Jun 29th 2015 at 9:48:11 AM

i meant a long hallway with a relatively low ceiling and not so tight that a railgun wouldnt fit, but tight enough that it forces individual soldiers to be close together.

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#3154: Jun 29th 2015 at 4:16:04 PM

Yeah doesn't change anything.

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#3155: Jun 29th 2015 at 5:22:33 PM

If I encountered a group like that, I would want to counter with a grenade toss and quick dive into a side-room, not another rail-gun.

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#3156: Jun 29th 2015 at 5:47:37 PM

In a narrow hallway type scenario, a rifle, smg, shotgun, and even pistols would likely do the job just as easily. The targets movement is limited and they are effectively channeled into a terrain dictated kill zone. This works best for attackers fighting just out of door ways or around corners firing into the hall.

edited 29th Jun '15 6:15:26 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#3157: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:45:47 PM

Some shields and cqc weapons would work perfectly as well. Protect against bullets while marching forward. Movement is limited anyway so it helps.

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#3158: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:55:28 PM

You have to stand your ground to use a weapon. Toss and dive aside gets you out of the field of fire.

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#3159: Jun 29th 2015 at 7:59:01 PM

So most things are better than a railgun.

Now if you were in a corridor meant for vehicles... a railgun would be fine.

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#3160: Jun 29th 2015 at 8:06:47 PM

De Marquis: That is assuming you have somewhere to dive to. There is also the issue of the hall way channeling the blast back at the person who threw the explosive. Most grenades in urban combat are suited to use in areas where you can attack from a position of cover regardless of grenade type being used.

Ballistic shields have some use in Urban combat but the ones truly able to stop rifle fire and provide the best coverage are not exactly bearing high marks in the portability department. They are large, cumbersome, heavy, and many actually roll around on wheels on the bottom of the shield. They also typically take up a free hand. There are smaller and lighter shields but many trade off levels of protection and area of coverage for portability.

edited 29th Jun '15 8:07:38 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#3161: Jun 30th 2015 at 7:34:48 AM

Well, you don't assume that you have cover nearby, you don't throw it unless you do. Plus you try to ensure it by moving rapidly from cover to cover. You have to do that anyway, in case the other guy has a grenade.

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#3162: Jun 30th 2015 at 7:57:38 AM

You are not going to be diving around. The grenades are used when you already have cover as in you are in cover especially when you are in that situation. Even then you are not going to be leaping out into a hall to throw the grenade you throw it from cover minimizing your exposure. If you are having to dive around you are very likely doing something wrong and will be dead in short order.

edited 30th Jun '15 7:58:04 AM by TuefelHundenIV

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#3163: Jun 30th 2015 at 11:55:43 AM

Fine, fine, no need to get nit picky, the point was it beats a railgun (or any direct fire weapon) used alone.

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#3164: Jun 30th 2015 at 1:31:07 PM

But TH, of you don't leap out into the hallway, you miss out on the +10 bonus to all attacks that the combat dive gives you.

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#3165: Jun 30th 2015 at 1:43:17 PM

lol. Don't forget you have to use the battle cry with it just before you attack.

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#3166: Jun 30th 2015 at 5:08:00 PM

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#3167: Jul 2nd 2015 at 4:30:57 PM

how about we deep fry the enemy?

and by deep fry, i mean trap in an area we fill with a flammable gas, so that when they open fire, they blow themselves up instead.

[down] well than it wouldnt be deep frying them now would it, come to think of it, mine wasn't deep frying either, but it involved surrounding something in a fluid substance.

edited 2nd Jul '15 4:40:29 PM by Alucart23

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#3168: Jul 2nd 2015 at 4:33:40 PM

Nah too easy to counter... too expensive if you want the stuff that burns hotter. You'd be better off just making a Microwave room.

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#3169: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:02:30 PM

Well more or less what you just described is Fuel Air Weapons or Thermobaric weapons. They scatter a fuel or particulate explosive into the air with a weak dispersing charge and then a second charge sets off the dispersed substance creating an intense hot explosive blast.

A good general description

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#3170: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:05:51 PM

[up]good job showing your work, you get an A, and also, has anyone elso on this thread mentioned the idea of using mantis shrimp or pistol shrimp based weaponry, such as underwater mechs with them?

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#3171: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:10:15 PM

how about we deep fry the enemy?

As in we find a bunker and flood it with boiling oil through the air vents until everything inside is nice and crispy? How medieval. [lol]

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#3172: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:14:16 PM

[up]so, a futuristic murder hole?

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#3173: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:20:06 PM

That is not the Starfleet I want.

Though aquatic mantis shrimp mech has me interested... why did Zeon never make those?

Alucart23 Okay, I'll try it your way for once from The Metaphorical Equivalent of Bir Tawil Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
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#3174: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:22:34 PM

I can't answer that, nor can i claim responsibility for the idea, but not many mechs in fiction go underwater, so not everyone thinks about the possibilities.

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#3175: Jul 2nd 2015 at 5:32:07 PM

Funnily enough I think underwater wouldn't be too awful for a mech to exist. Square cube law is pretty much non-existent down there, since Whales Survive and they still got gravity pulling on them.


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