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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#1: Oct 10th 2013 at 12:36:40 AM

A case of a very specific trope used much more generally (even on the page itself) because the title is a Stock Phrase. Seriously, every single example on the trope page itself (except maybe the Stargate SG 1 one, as a "variant") is wrong. This may be one reason why the inbounds and such are so terrible.

What's the best solution? Expansion (but it's generally used as just "character tells or causes another to shut up — is that even a trope)? Rename? Culling? Cut?

edited 10th Oct '13 12:40:12 AM by Leaper

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Oct 10th 2013 at 1:02:11 AM

So this is a gag about someone's trying to guess another's wish until it becomes "Shut up already!".

Cut this page and move anything worth saving elsewhere.

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AmyGdala Since: Oct, 2012
#3: Oct 10th 2013 at 3:34:11 AM

The name is not a trope, the trope is too narrow. Cut.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#4: Oct 10th 2013 at 5:11:21 AM

Alice is trying to say something. Bob tries to say it for her. He fails, tries again, and again, and again, until Alice gets tired of it.

Sounds like a trope to me. Specifically, a narrow subversion of Finishing Each Other's Sentences. Could be expanded to any time Alice corrects Bob's attempt.

edited 10th Oct '13 5:11:56 AM by crazysamaritan

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#5: Oct 10th 2013 at 5:15:26 AM

The Stargate SG 1 example (not being familiar with it myself) sounds more like a Stop Helping Me than the trope definition. If that means there isn't a single salvageable example on the page itself, I'd be inclined to say cut and YKTTW.

The page image is not helping either, it only illustrates the "shut up" part, not the setup that leads to it.

edited 10th Oct '13 5:16:11 AM by Stratadrake

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#6: Oct 10th 2013 at 4:13:31 PM

Cut and take anything salvagable to existing tropes like Unwanted Assistance.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#8: Oct 11th 2013 at 12:41:40 AM

I just checked the wicks. As far as I can tell, the only one that uses this trope correctly is the Trope Namer bit from Doctor Who. All the others are just generalized "character tells another to shut up."

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#9: Oct 24th 2013 at 4:48:58 PM

Crowner made; hollered for attachment.

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#11: Oct 25th 2013 at 5:22:34 AM

I still say it's tropable, although I notice no one has complained about the fact the current name is dialouge-heavy.

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Leaper Since: May, 2009
#12: Oct 25th 2013 at 5:27:42 AM

Probably because that's something that's addressed only after it's determined that a trope is worth saving.

Personally, I'd feel a lot better about keeping it if there were, you know, any other examples besides the Trope Namer. But I guess if this doesn't end up getting cut, it'll probably be sent back to YKTTW, at the least.

edited 25th Oct '13 5:32:59 AM by Leaper

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#13: Oct 30th 2013 at 3:21:18 PM

Votes are in favour of cutting = 7:2

Need more opinions!

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troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#14: Oct 30th 2013 at 7:27:00 PM

I'd say there's a valid trope in here if we broadened it, but even then it'd be a premature launch. The name is an actively misleading non sequitur and dialogue. Cut.

edited 30th Oct '13 7:27:17 PM by troacctid

Rhymes with "Protracted."
SpocktorWho Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#15: Nov 16th 2013 at 2:04:53 AM

I agree with the fact that the trope is too narrow and more or less useless in its current incarnation. I do think that it might be expanded upon, though, in order to be made worthwhile.

Perhaps the spirit of what it's trying to get across is when a character has something important to say, but another character keeps impeding them with interruptions? Even if the interrupting character is actively trying to learn what the other person wants to say? Which usually leads to a Big "SHUT UP!"?

edited 16th Nov '13 2:10:53 AM by SpocktorWho

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#16: Nov 16th 2013 at 2:13:17 AM

That sounds like a valid trope to me. I suggest to take it to YKTTW, to check for duplicates as well - dialoguey titles are undesirable, so this page is probably still going to be cut.

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#17: Nov 17th 2013 at 6:36:48 AM

Calling the crowner in favor of cutting I Need You To Shut Up. If someone wants to YKTTW a more functional version, feel free.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18: Nov 17th 2013 at 6:45:35 AM

Dewicked, tagged and cutlisted.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Leaper Since: May, 2009
#19: Nov 17th 2013 at 5:49:07 PM

And article was cut.

Other than a reminder to everyone out there who's interested in a potential trope here to YKTTW, I think we're done.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#20: Nov 17th 2013 at 11:02:01 PM

OK; requesting lock.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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SingleProposition: INeedYouToShutUp
24th Oct '13 4:47:29 PM

Crown Description:

Out of approximately 28 examples and wicks, all but one uses this narrowly defined trope incorrectly.

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