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treelo Since: Jun, 2010
#1: Oct 2nd 2013 at 2:39:38 PM

Aside from the incredibly negative (and not exactly the most polite) trope title, this doesn't come across as anything more than "complaining about art styles you don't like" which isn't really a trope and probably needs more than a mere lick of paint to fix given the discussion page. What I feel needs to be done is figuring out if this is tropable and if we can't limit the amount of purely negative opinions that make up the examples.

edited 2nd Oct '13 2:47:51 PM by treelo

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#2: Oct 2nd 2013 at 2:46:14 PM

I do not see any complaining at all there. The description "Extremely detailed and worked-on imagery" (or whatever the correct terminology here is) seems fairly straightforward.

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MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#3: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:34:19 PM

I think the name is more on the non-indicative side.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#4: Oct 2nd 2013 at 7:53:00 PM

140 wicks and 650 inbounds, though.

MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#5: Oct 2nd 2013 at 8:01:43 PM

The inbound referrals list shows a Reddit post where the writer says, "The term for this style is Design Student's Orgasm. Not officially, but I really hope that it catches on."

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#6: Oct 2nd 2013 at 8:35:41 PM

Not seeing how it's not a trope. Looks tropey to me.

Rhymes with "Protracted."
MikuruFan from Away Since: Nov, 2012
#7: Oct 2nd 2013 at 8:37:46 PM

The main problems I'm seeing are Zero-Context Example and Weblinks Are Not Examples. Most of the examples provide no support for the definition by looking at it alone.

treelo Since: Jun, 2010
#8: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:46:03 PM

If it's not all that complainey to you guys, I'll take a rename because I still think it's ridiculously derisive.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Oct 2nd 2013 at 11:49:01 PM

With 655 inbounds, I will need something more than "it's offensive" as a rename argument. That usually isn't enough to carry a rename through.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#10: Oct 3rd 2013 at 2:40:23 AM

I don't find it offensive or complaining at all. I did however remove the last bit of the description, since that didn't explain anything about the trope, and just made a joke about something related.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#11: Oct 3rd 2013 at 8:30:33 AM

I don't see anything offensive about the name. It's just indicating that the work goes a little overboard in the graphic design department. It may be as bit on the crude humor side, but that's all it is saying the graphic designer blew their load(as in put every design idea they head at the time) into the work.

edited 3rd Oct '13 8:32:45 AM by shoboni

treelo Since: Jun, 2010
#12: Oct 5th 2013 at 12:56:51 AM

Yeah but the implication of it also implies that it's representative of bad or clichéd (in this case, too overly detailed) graphic design by someone not very good at it. Anyway, the specific style it speaks about isn't new, it's been around for decades but is treated as something that is almost hipster-like in its use so it probably needs something so people don't think the wrong thing.

edited 5th Oct '13 1:06:54 AM by treelo

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#13: Oct 5th 2013 at 1:31:51 AM

The only bit that I would consider complainy would be the middle sentence of the following:

It is somewhat akin to a visual form of Purple Prose. The flowery elements of the more ornate ads often have nothing to do with the product itself, and don't always get the message across too well. But hey, if that's what the companies are signing off on...

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#14: Oct 5th 2013 at 3:57:27 AM

Remove the last sentence of that? Adds nothing.

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#15: Oct 5th 2013 at 4:41:34 AM

Admittedly, that seems a bit unbalanced in the way of it being a negative thing. It's not inherently negative, though, so nothing really more than a minor rewrite of that section there should be required.

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treelo Since: Jun, 2010
#16: Oct 5th 2013 at 5:14:00 AM

I'd strip that whole paragraph, the trope isn't about advertising specifically nor is it the graphical equivalent of What Were They Selling Again?. Also, many examples aren't actual examples, there might be issues with the trope description which makes it attract really bad examples seeing as "design which is too complex for me" seems to be the bar of entry and turns into an Audience Reaction trope, if that has any validity here.

edited 5th Oct '13 5:23:26 AM by treelo

shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#17: Oct 5th 2013 at 2:31:51 PM

You could change it to that "it can become akin to Purple Prose if abused" or something like that.

And Tree, the name itself in no way implies that.

edited 5th Oct '13 2:32:53 PM by shoboni

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#18: Oct 5th 2013 at 4:41:39 PM

[up]That should suffice.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#19: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:51:11 AM

I agree with @17.

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#20: Oct 6th 2013 at 3:14:36 AM

I think it is the visual equivalent of Purple Prose. If that counts as complaining, the problem with complaining lies with Purple Prose, not this trope.

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#21: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:09:48 PM

[up]Purple Prose generally means when it goes so absurdly far it begins to get in the way of reading the work because the overly flowery and complex text is distracting from the meaning or story it's actually trying to convey by stealing the spotlight.

In the end, maybe we need a trope for florid prose that isn't purple.

Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
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#22: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:14:22 PM

We should get on YKTTWing it, I suppose. If I have time I'll do it, or if anyone else wants to go ahead. "Florid Prose" sounds like a good start for a name.

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#23: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:27:50 PM

I don't believe splitting Purple Prose into "florid prose BUT GOOD" and "florid prose BUT BAD" is going to produce remotely constructive results.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#24: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:28:48 PM

Yea, that YKTTW proposal is a Done Well split. [tdown]

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shoboni Since: Oct, 2010
#25: Oct 6th 2013 at 1:32:16 PM

I don't really care if we do or don't do it, I was just trying to come up with a possible solution to the complaining thing. It wouldn't be good and bad persay, just when it works, and when it makes the work confusing.

edited 6th Oct '13 1:33:15 PM by shoboni


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