If what I'm reading is correct, that's great. This qcould make it much quicker to get all the work links moved over.
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How will this affect redirects from one type of work namespace to another? For example, a lot of manga that have an anime adaptation have just one work page, with one of the namespaced pages redirecting to the other one.
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OK, so I've seen this item now there. Don't have any complaints about the disambig there, really.
eta: Apparently, I saw a wrong wick there...
edited 17th Aug '13 3:24:24 PM by SeptimusHeap
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It has no effect on redirects.
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So if a redirect is deleted, it would still show pages visitors may visit. Such as Harry Potter, where there are no internal links but possibly many inbounds.
edited 17th Aug '13 3:30:38 PM by mikurufan
Well, two rather practical questions about the disambig:
- How does its existence affect the cutlisting policy re: already existing redirects?
- Does it change anything for the people who are currently namespacing-and-then-cutlisting-the-misplaced-work-page?
The cutlisting is no longer necessary, really. Should save a lot of work and orphaned external links.
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orphaned external links.
Maybe I am sleepy now and am missing something, but this disambig page would send people coming through external links to a cut page to the right namespace just right.
edited 17th Aug '13 4:08:45 PM by SeptimusHeap
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Yes. The orphaned links referred to were to the redirects which were cut (with the prior tech). Now, they can be cut or not cut. Doesn't make much difference. So why bother to cut?
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If all the links to an un-namespaed work redirect is removed, the page could be cut to discourage people from further linking while keeping inbounds.
The issue with that would be that these pages would no longer show up as red links (which is what the 2nd paragraph of the OP sounds like).
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So Main pages for works can now safely be deleted?
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Or not. Why bother?
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People have been cutlisting Main/ pages to make them redlinks. So that people don't wick to them instead of the namespaced pages.
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Because there's no reason for the main redirects to exist due to the change, now that the subpages are now much more noticeable.
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I would think this would ideally be a gradual phase-out of Main/ redirects, rather than just suddenly deleting them all. Sudden deletions (or other changes) tend to confuse people.
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It also has a lot of people suddenly delete Main redirects without a consensus or fixing wicks whatsoever. In other words, it causes tons of trouble and vandalism.
I don't think anybody has proposed a mass deletion of Main/ redirects, much less given permission to it.
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Many people have actually tried to do so. Always stopped, though.
Regardless, the point is, we are not trying to mass-delete them, but take time to fix the stuff, slowly while making sure the site isn't hurt by it at every part.
I meant cases like Harry Potter where all the wicks were replaced to lead to Franchise.Harry Potter or an appropriate book, and since we don't want them to be linked anymore, the page could be cut without loss of inbound traffic.
"In distress", my ass.
^ Older links pointing to Main/HP don't magically vanish just because TVT decides to use another organization scheme. 
I meant the Wick Migration project removed all the links and we don't want any more of them to encourage namespacing.
Wicks are internal. That is, links on our pages to our pages. The links that need protecting are the links on other sites back to our pages. They are very important because they are what Google and other search engines use to judge the value of our site.
edited 19th Aug '13 8:41:08 AM by FastEddie
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Yes, so traffic would not be lost because they will have pages linked.
This is a slight misnomer in that the only disambiguation made is between the namespaces.
The purpose of this change is to make redirects from one namespace to another unnecessary. The user will always get at least this ambig page if they are using an un-namespaced version of a work title or trope name.
The next piece of this will be to make the redlinker only care that there is at least one article with the requested title in any of the namespaces. We'll still want to use the correct namespace going forward. This just makes it so that links to articles that have been moved to another namespace don't go red. Red being an ugly color that sends the message that we don't have the article at all.
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