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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#76: Nov 25th 2013 at 5:00:14 PM

[up]Actually... Utrecht wasn't as clear as it could have been. <_< Hence, the problem. -_-

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#77: Nov 26th 2013 at 7:43:04 AM

And now the Spanish border guards have apparently opened a diplomatic bag. If it's true than they've gone right ahead and breached the Vienna Convention and one of the most basic rules of international diplomacy. [1]

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#78: Nov 26th 2013 at 7:44:12 AM

[up][up] ...but the 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations is: Guess what Spanish Police have done?note 

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edited 26th Nov '13 7:44:45 AM by Greenmantle

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#79: Nov 26th 2013 at 7:52:14 AM

*gets out the popcorn*

Thar be a shitstorm a brewin'.

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#80: Nov 26th 2013 at 9:53:54 AM

The problem with Utrecht, in a nutshell, is that the area that Gibraltar covers has expanded since the treaty was written, and that effectively makes everything not explicitly in the treaty contested territory. Territories naturally shift over time for one reason or another, and these treaties will naturally become partially or wholly outdated eventually.

Now the breach of the Vienna Convetion is something Spain are going to have a very difficult time defending. "But we say Gibraltar is ours therefore international law is irrelevant" is hardly a strong defence.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#81: Nov 26th 2013 at 9:57:46 AM

Even if the embassy is in your own territory and the bag hasn't left it yet, it's still a breach of international law.

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#82: Nov 26th 2013 at 10:00:16 AM

I believe the Spanish claims re: Utrecht is that it was basically forced onto them at gunpoint so it doesn't count.

Ceuta and Millela were of course willingly given by Morocco...

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#83: Nov 26th 2013 at 10:10:11 AM

Treaties only apply so long as they benefit the party in question.

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CaissasDeathAngel House Lewis: Sanity is Relative from Dumfries, SW Scotland Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#84: Nov 26th 2013 at 10:19:27 AM

Ceuta in particular is a perfect analogy and I really don't get why our Government aren't using it more. The BBC have commented on that plenty, but it remains an obscure comparison except among those who have really studied this whole mess, it seems. It applies to the other three territories as well, I think, but Ceuta is the best example of the five as it's most directly comparable.

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#85: Nov 26th 2013 at 12:27:51 PM

[up][up][up]All peace treaties are a result of the losing party conceding things at gun/swordpoint. If there wasn't a war beforehand then they wouldn't be peace treaties.

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