DC Extended Universe

Or the money movies are sort of expensive to see in this day last time I checked.

Chances are most people would check out the MCU movie first (good reviews on the last several movies, near-guaranteed value on the money spent) and the DCCU movie at the next available opportunity (that day or days/weeks later).

Which is not to say that Marvel will win. They'll lose a lot of people that are diehard DC fans or grew up knowing/hearing more about Batman/Superman. Both will get a much lower turnout than desired, but it will do MUCH more harm to DC than Marvel.

And they know that.

edited 7th Aug '14 7:40:54 AM by Notoyax17

Not everyone...but I'm pretty sure at twenty five million people in America alone would.

That's because moviegoers are dumbasses and spend their money buying the fucking food and drinks. They do not need the food and drinks, and are just bleeding their wallets. If anything, it's their faults.

It's about $10-15 for a movie by itself depending on the size of your city and theatre, and another $3-5 if you want 3D. Spending $40 in one weekend would be a bit much for plenty of people.

And that's not even taking children into account. If you want to watch these movies with your kids, there's NO WAY you're going to be shelling out $40-100 to watch two movies in one weekend. If they want to spend their own money for it, fine, but if a parent is already paying then chances are they can't/don't earn money on their own.

Well, to help foster some good will I've decided to do a prediction of the upcoming movies based on what we know.

• Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice – 03/25/16
• Untitled DC Film – 08/05/16 - Shazam movie
• Untitled DC Film – 06/23/17 - JL movie
• Untitled DC Film – 11/17/17 - Wonder Woman movie
• Untitled DC Film – 03/23/18 - Flash/GL movie
• Untitled DC Film – 07/27/18 - Mo S 2
• Untitled WB Event Film – 11/16/18
• Untitled DC Film – 04/05/19 - Suicide Squad movie
• Untitled DC Film – 06/14/19 - ???? Maybe Trinity movie
• Untitled DC Film – 04/03/20 - Aquaman movie
• Untitled DC Film – 06/19/20 - JL 2 movie
• Untitled WB Event Film – 11/20/20

edited 7th Aug '14 1:27:43 PM by VeryMelon

Did we ever think there would be TOO MANY superhero movies?

That'd be interesting.

Though, am I the only one who's first thought upon seeing that DC itself put out was: "Lies, lies, uh huh sure, lies"? Because I can't help but think that it seems like they're HOPING to put out that many movies but have no names or plans for anything on that list yet?

It would have been just as easy to say "Untitled Justice League movie," Untitled Wonder Woman movie," etc. It's just stirring up excitement out of nothing for the sake of excitement and they hope to make it up as they go along.

One of them could be Metal Men if that project gets off the ground.

I think the WB Event Films are sequels to the Harry Potter spin-off.

Also, this

That's not entirely fair. The only characters who aren't directly related to and introduced via the plot of the movie are Rocket and Groot - everyone else either has an origin that's tied to Thanos or is Peter, who does get an origin int his movie. Unless you drastically alter them, you can't really do that with most of the DC characters - their origins are all extremely different. You can tie Martian Manhunter, GL and maybe Superman together if the threat is cosmic, though.

In short, the two teams' circumstances are too different.

edited 7th Aug '14 3:01:12 PM by KnownUnknown

They were still introduced in a quick scene that made sense to the narrative. Personally, I agree with the editorial.

I'm not against all the leaguers being introduced in one movie either.

I have to agree too. There are tons of kids who grew up watching the JL cartoon and Teen Titans and many more who watched Young Justice and Green Lantern, add in people who played all the Arkham or Lego Batman games, viewers of the live action tv shows, and a decent amount of people would have a basic grounding of the characters on the screen.

We don't need to retread everyone's origins for the screen. The JLU show barely had to do anyone's origins and viewers had a good enough idea of the basic stories for well over a dozen characters. Showing off little tidbits organically throughout the movie and the occasional short monologue should do well enough to get the essential characterizations of the Justice League.

Hell, the JL show just tossed the characters in on the first episode with no introduction aside from J'onn. Flash gets a pass since he showed up in Superman's show, and John Stewart got ZERO introduction as the Green Lantern.

^ The JL show then proceeded to have plotlines dealing with who each of the characters were later down the line, even if Flash's was way in the future in JLU - tv shows can do that because they have many episodes, and as such they can fill in the blanks of a plot later and fill in the meantime with character interaction.

edited 7th Aug '14 3:59:18 PM by KnownUnknown

That is what he is saying they will do with Justice League introduce them there than expand on their origins in a solo film at a later date.

It's still not an optimal way to do things. TV shows do fill in blanks later, but they also have character interaction to help us understand the characters in the meantime. With a movie, the "who are these characters" gap can take years of total absence of anything, since movies take a long time to make.

So literally all you have is those two hours of interaction. For groups built (or rebuilt, in the Guardians' case) to operate as an ensemble, you don't run into that problem so much - it's why X-Men works. With groups built up of individuals, who we're supposed to receive and see as individuals with their own unique plotlines, it's difficult (though not impossible). Again, the main way they're going to have to do this is to rebuild the characters so that their origins are both connected, and it's likely that at least one character is going to be totally underdeveloped anyway (I'm banking on Flash, who's probably going to have to get by on personality alone since his origin is way removed from anyone else's).

I'm actually assuming that's why they're introducing Wonder Woman in Batman V. Superman. While it might still be intrusive, it's a lot better than having to introduce a secret civilization of Greek superwomen and a space police corps and whatever the villain is going to be, etc...

Note that this doesn't have to be origins, per se, but there does need to be adequately explained who these characters are and what their motivations are - which MCU dealt with by having them appear in prior movies. The best superhero I've ever seen for introducing a ton of characters all at once is New Frontier, which still feels disjointed given there's, like, five stories going on concurrently. Still, it's a great place to start.

Again, Guardians works because, given that Rocket and Groot are mercenaries (mercenaries are really easy characters to introduce, because they only need the slightest reason to be involved - someone with money), we can focus on Peter's origin and the Thanos/Ronan plot exclusively. Drax and Gamora are both actually characters in the Thanos/Ronan plot, so the plot itself introduces them and their origins. Guardians works in part by "cheating" the origins and having them be connected, so there's less baggage involved - but it in no way builds its movie without origins (with, again, the exception of Rocket and Groot).

In any case, my point isn't that a superhero ensemble movie can't happen, it's that Guardians is not very comparable at all to what the Justice League movie will probably be and the kind of writing it will need for the characters, and so isn't a very good example.

edited 7th Aug '14 4:21:19 PM by KnownUnknown

Guardians has the benefit of taking place way out in distant space. The audience can accept more ludicrous ideas because there is no direct relationship between the setting and human history or the modern human world in any conceivable way, which greatly benefits suspension of disbelief.

They also benefit from existing within a franchise that has been steadily pushing the audience's suspension of disbelief to greater lengths. The MacGuffin at the core of the plot, for instance, works because it builds upon a plot point that has been steadily escalated through 4 films prior to this one, such that actually getting to see what one of these things can do with characters directly interacting with them and unleashing their potential rather than trying to restrain them is a long-anticipated event.

The characters have a mutual origin by benefit of a convenient answer for why they're super - they're all aliens, so earthly rationale for what's reasonable for their physicality goes right out the window straight out of the starting gate - and the plot itself has had four films of escalation before reaching this juncture. The characters may all be Newcomers, but by no means was the film devoid of setup.

In short,

This.

edited 7th Aug '14 7:02:06 PM by TobiasDrake

WB explains why they moved the date.

Looks like we will be getting the titles of the films this month and he said Justice League might be closer than we think.

I feel like DC would have more luck adapting stories like For The Man Who Had Everything, The Death of Superman and similar stories then going for origin/team up stories. T Do S would work really well in the gritty, dark environment they're trying to set up for the world.

http://www.thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-director-zack-snyder-calls-into-detroit-radio-show-to-defend-aquaman/

I applaud Snyder. He seems to have more respect for the characters than certain others.

And interesting...

WB has hired two writers for Aquaman.

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