Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

i agree.

it's funny because watchmen is hailed as a seminal text in the medium, but one of the characters is basically a living god. Nobody complains though, because the story is built around it, it presents problems that can't just be solved through force and even if they could he's too apathetic to care.

The most iconic Superman stories are not those with new or powerful villains for him to bash around, but take stock of his extreme number of contradictions. Otherworldly origin, farmboy upbringing. Godlike powers, no ambition to rule. Seen as the ideal of human(like) perfection as Superman, seen as an unassuming guy as Clark Kent. People are thoroughly confused over him.

For me that is something Man of Steel touched upon but didn't quite get to. There are a few glimpses of people watching his fight with Zod, a stunned "hard to process" look on all of them.

"Otherworldly origin, farmboy upbringing. Godlike powers, no ambition to rule. Seen as the ideal of human(like) perfection as Superman, seen as an unassuming guy as Clark Kent. People are thoroughly confused over him." nah those things were irrelevant to the immediate shock that the supporting cast had. it was the fact him along with the reset of his kind just did the unthinkable, so gawk in awe at superbeings! it was an alien invasion story and if you ever saw a UFO then you would know that feeling like me. your whole body freezes as no sound comes outside your mouth even if you tried. your mind says run or take a picture but nothing occurs. a really awesome eerie feeling. Parry White's expression did exactly that... but this also means Clark could have been switched out with any other Metahuman for the same effect.

B Mv SM's only choice now is to make his life more relevant to the larger community if people are really going to talk about him. no more shocks, just reactions because a reaction carries all the weight. the best Superman stories are ones where he bounces off of everyone else, putting value onto them.

bystanders in the new live action verse must come to an understanding of who Superman is not just on the outside, while it is up to Clark to show them, and lastly Zack Synder has to dramatize it. in the end he is going to become the Superman defined by idealistic tropes that we know of so Justice League can happen. Otherwise then I am not watching the rise of Superman, just a guy who happens to have Superman's powers.

i think right now there are two emotions people here have: gut wrenching (the post apocalyptic devastation did a toll on Metropolitans) and contentment (Metropolitans have a savior who will clearly fight for their safety against someone who disregards the sanctity of life). Bruce seems to be the only one confused as if Clark's superpower status is a surrogate for a cosmic horror story that is imposed upon Bruce because he is paranoid... or curious?

edited 1st Aug '15 11:12:29 AM by xbimpy

Now I'm imagining Bruce as one of those internet conspiracy theorists who somehow connects Superman to the Illuminati and buys himself a TV appearance and screams "WAKE UP AMERICA! YOU'RE ALL JUST SHEEP! BAAA! BAAAA!" and goes crazy jumping on a couch Tom Cruise-style.

Seriously though, I imagine Bruce is somewhere between paranoid and curious. He's always been pretty paranoid in other media just out of inherent distrust - but on the other hand, he's a bit of a scientist and I think that draws him into investigating Superman as well - and the moral obligation he feels to deal with this superhuman when no one else is really willing or brave enough to in a straight up fight - sort of an "I owe it to the public to take this guy out for what he did to them."

I think Bats'll definitely be a bit of a Knight Templar in this movie and mellow out by the end and as more movies come out.

great, now i want a solo Question movie.

The correct term is "sheeple."

As do I.

Solo Question would be hard to pull off since the Objectivist influences are supposed to be there.

The Question played as a conspiratorial thriller could work. Him/Her/Both trying to stop a massive disaster and being unable to trust the Justice League because of perceived threats that may or may not be there. Hell, it doesn't need to be a full film. Do a You Tube series like Marble Hornets that follows the events from the ground or something. Objectivist philosophy doesn't need to be brought in.

The Justice League Unlimited version of the character would be rather easy to adapt, and he rivals his comic version in terms of popularity.

I think they would go with the female Question since that's the more recent one and the one Arkham Knight references in a Easter Egg.

I think they would go with the female Question since that's the more recent one

No, the most recent Question is one of the Trinity of Sin whose identity and face have been wiped from existence. (Nice going, DC.)

edited 2nd Aug '15 10:18:51 AM by alliterator

What happened to Renee Montoya in the new universe?

She's still a police officer (she's appearing in Detective Comics now, I believe).

And Vic Sage is the head of the Suicide Squad.

edited 2nd Aug '15 11:22:44 AM by alliterator

Um what?

He's appearing in the New Suicide Squad comic.

I think if they did a Question movie, you'd get too many people claiming he was a rip off of Rorschach in Watchmen. And of course, they're both rip-off's of Mr.A.

The JLU Question is, in my opinion, by far the best one to date. It captures the spirit of the character perfectly. I'd watch a series about that guy.

And of course, they're both rip-off's of Mr.A.

Uh, no. Steve Ditko created both pretty much at the same time (in 1967). Mr. A just wasn't subject to the Comics Code, which meant Mr. A could be a lot more violent.

edited 2nd Aug '15 11:55:20 AM by alliterator

Thing about the Question is that the character is awesome but his comics are fairly straight forward Film Noir / Political Thriller. It certainly could make for a good movie but would have a hard time keeping up with the high stakes action of Batman, let alone Earth shattering Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash stories.

why do the stakes need to be high? it doesn't really have anything to do with whether it'd be a good movie or not.

edited 2nd Aug '15 4:33:02 PM by wehrmacht

If DC is paying any attention at Marvel's strategy, then they should notice smaller stories have their room as well, if not necessairly on the big screen, what with the astounding success of Daredevil.

Hell Suicide Squad seems to be relatively low stakes compared to Batman v Superman.

Even Batman is often low stakes. His comics are frequently inspired by noir.

Suicide Squad is still a squad of superhumans going on a black ops mission, that's pretty intense with high stakes. The Question is more in the realm of espionage and uncovering scandals, with no unusual superpowers, crazy gadgets and vehicles or over-the-top villains (Batman brings everything but superpowers to the table). The Question could make for a good, low budget movie but would fit better in a TV show format like Daredevil where the expectation is not to have these monumental events.

It wouldn't be the first time a comic universe has brought very different characters that shouldn't work in the same universe at first glance together anyway and made it work. It's part of something Batman often deals with in general too.

Heck, I still don't even think Man Of Steel was written or directed in such a way that a sequel makes sense narratively, let alone a cinematic universe with other heroes, but they're forging ahead with that anyway.

edited 3rd Aug '15 12:41:42 AM by KnownUnknown

Hopefully, they will finally introduce Brainiac in Man of Steel 2 and not keep reusing Luthor and Zod.

How many Superman movies have there been? Superman: Luthor. Superman II: Zod. Superman III: some Corrupt Corporate Executive trying to be like Luthor and failing? I think? Superman IV: Luthor and oh god the Nuclear Man. Superman Returns: Luthor again. Man of Steel: Zod again. Batman v. Superman: Luthor again again.

Seriously, that's four times Luthor has been the big villain and twice that Zod has. Can we please get Brainiac? Or Parasite? Or even Mister Mxyzptlk?

edited 3rd Aug '15 1:05:13 AM by alliterator