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Wildcard from Revolution City Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#11851: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:12:33 AM

To both: I suppose so. It's just I only met him once three years ago but he seemed so great and nice in person and could tell I was nervous. I even got in a group pic with him and a group of my irl friends, (not gonna post it in public). But that he is this way makes me feel bad, I'm still going to treasure that memory for all sorts of reasons but this makes me feel sad about how I can see them as people, (I still think they are great entertainers).

[up]Those aren't always so bad IMO.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:13:21 AM by Wildcard

METAL GEAR!?
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11852: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:15:42 AM

The sad thing is, if he really is suffering from self-esteem issues...this sort of thing was more or less inevitable. Someone with low self-esteem is going to struggle while running their own business. Especially if a predatory sociopathic / psychopathic vulture comes in and takes over.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:15:52 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11853: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:18:58 AM

[up][up] Maybe, but if I wanted a Contemporaty Silly Sketch Making Movie Critic, I'd watch something else. Nostalgia Critic shouldn't be about that.

[up]Which is where Rob comes in.

Look, I'm not saying he's predatory and sociopathic... but there's this eerie aura of excessive assertiveness whenever they're recapping videos together. You can plainly see how he'd always try to influence Doug's opinion to the point of talking over him. A good example would be Korra vlogs, because he doesn't like Korra and very much wants Doug to not like it either.

Mike, though, Mike can go fuck himself.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:21:34 AM by Luminosity

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11854: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:22:52 AM

Makes you wonder what life was like growing up for those two. Big Brother Bully maybe?

edited 25th Mar '18 7:23:05 AM by M84

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Wildcard from Revolution City Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#11855: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:25:11 AM

I don't think so from what I've seen.

METAL GEAR!?
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#11856: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:28:00 AM

Here is Linkara's message on leaving CA, as posted on Atop the Fourth Wall:

     Linkaras post 
It is with a heavy heart that I must announce that I have left Channel Awesome.

This was not a decision made lightly, but it has been a decision that has been building for some time. Because this is my show’s tenth anniversary, I think it’s important to talk about my history with the site and why I have been so reluctant to depart despite the growing number of difficulties in working with it and grievances made by other former producers.

I began Atop the Fourth Wall as text reviews because as far as I knew, that was the way to do recaps and reviews of media – particularly BAD media. If you didn’t have your own TV show, the only way to get your opinions and quips about awful movies, television shows, and indeed comic books was to write out lengthy essays about them. Then one day on a forum I discovered the Nostalgia Critic. I learned of this fantastic place called That Guy With The Glasses where others did their own videos about the media they hated or enjoyed, with videos uploaded to Youtube, Revver, and eventually Blip. There was just tons and tons of content waiting to be enjoyed by an eager, hungry audience.

Inspired by this (in particular the Nostalgia Critic videos), I set about turning my rantings about comic books into videos. At the time, That Guy With The Glasses (TGWTG) had an open submission policy if you wanted to join. Within only a few days, I was accepted and became a part of a larger family. As soon as my videos went up (alongside Phelous and Ed Glaser’s Press Start Adventures cartoon), my views increased in massive numbers. I suddenly had an audience – one that grew larger and larger over time. The videos were popular enough within a year or so that I was able to quit my job at Barnes and Noble and go full time in making them. Being a video producer has been my vocation and career ever since.

I owe my success to being picked up on TGWTG. Sure, talent is one part of it – people wouldn’t still be watching the show if there wasn’t SOMETHING about it that they enjoyed, but in a world with hundreds if not thousands of channels and shows vying for attention from the public, getting that exposure got me a foot in the door that, it is entirely likely, I never would have enjoyed otherwise. I have been incredibly privileged and lucky since then to have this opportunity.

Furthermore, joining TGWTG allowed me to meet a plethora of friendly, smart, creative individuals whom I am still proud to call my friends. Despite the problems that have occurred in making them, I still enjoy all of the anniversary movies – as their own works and just for the opportunity they gave me on an annual basis to meet with these people I am still in awe of. They have expanded my interests and my own skills simply by the use of their own – helping me make videos that I hope are not only entertaining but informative about the comic industry and my other passions. In essence, if I have reached wondrous heights, it is only because I stand on the shoulders of giants. I have met incredible fans with wonderful stories of their own, been told that our videos helped them when it seemed like nothing else could. I met my wife thanks to being a part of TGWTG and that is most especially something to be happy about.

And that has been a thing that has nagged at me over the last several years. In case you are not aware, there has been growing discontentment towards the leadership of Channel Awesome and its CEO Mike Michaud. It is not unfounded. The full list of grievances is still being compiled into a Google Doc for easier reference (and I’ll likely edit this with a link to it when it becomes available), but if you would like a summary – abusive behavior, lies to the contributors, a focus on only the Nostalgia Critic as opposed to the community of talent that was promised, and many, MANY other offenses. A few years ago, a group of contributors left the site at the same time – some leaving for their own reasons, but some left in particular because of those actions. At the time, while I was outraged by what had occurred, I wanted to remain optimistic. I believed I could improve things from within, lend my voice to the higher-ups of the company to inspire them to recapture what had made the site so beloved before. In addition, several new contributors had also then-recently joined – just as eager and enthusiastic about being a part of the site as I had been several years before. They wanted to be a part of this community and work alongside us and I felt that leaving then would have crushed their happiness and even potentially their own chances for success.

And so I stayed and I tried to do what I could to improve things. I failed. Over time, as I grew more and more dejected by this experience I resolved to simply put out my content, converse with the others on the site to help them directly whenever I could, and collect revenue for my show. Recently, however, it has come to light not just the offenses I was aware of, but even more that I had never been privy to. So many, in fact, that a twitter thread detailing them went on for two days straight of people asking questions and discovering new terrible things that had occurred that had happened even at the earliest days of my presence on the site that I had been completely oblivious of.

I have struggled since then about how best to handle my presence on Channel Awesome. I originally elected to leave much later, but at some point during this year – especially after a major milestone in order to give things a “clean start” feel, but in talking with other producers who have decided to leave, I feel it’s best to just do it and get it out of the way.

And so here we are. Perhaps I should have left sooner, but these are the choices I have made and will have to live with. Regardless of anything else, I am still happy for the friendships I have made, the work I have done, and proud of being a part of the site for as long as I have. I simply wish that things could have been better. While many have scoffed about an aggregate site like Channel Awesome working these days, I do still think there is potential there – a community of reviewers working together to promote one another and have plenty of pop culture videos and analyses, in my opinion at least, still holds sway – especially if it promotes the brand as a whole and not just an individual.

Given my reasons for leaving, please do not take my and others’ departures as a sign that you should harass or question those who do remain. The simple fact is that I have been incredibly fortunate in that I do not require Channel Awesome to survive. Others may not be as fortunate and rely upon the views they get from the site or they may just have their own reasons for staying that they do not wish to share. It is their prerogative. All I will say is that you should support the content you love. Much like with the comics industry itself, it’s a matter of voting with your wallet – or in this case, with your eyeballs.

Thank you all for your continued support. I couldn’t do this without you all.

edited 25th Mar '18 9:38:17 AM by Redmess

Optimism is a duty.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11857: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:28:48 AM

[up] With that much text, it might be a good idea to put it in a folder or something.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#11858: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:29:36 AM

Already posted it on the Linkara thread, but yeah`

edited 25th Mar '18 7:30:07 AM by Ghilz

FrozenWolf2 Horni Demon LORD from HORNI LAND Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Horni Demon LORD
#11859: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:34:40 AM

Please give me the source of your Avatar![up] X7

I just can't buy the Doug's just an innocent doofus with his head in the clouds who doesn't know better excuse anymore... The "Its all Rob and Mike!" defense

Doug is the one who had a "shoot myself in the head" joke a few weeks after Jew Wario passed Doug is the one who consistently ignores his fellow contributors suggestions Doug has been part of firing people... for nonsensical BS reasons

and probably the most damning one is the discussion about the Mechakara converts Lindsey into 60 of 9 scene... and playing it off as a big rape joke which everybody called foul on but Doug "just didn't get" why the scene was in bad taste... yet still left the implication in the toned down version cause he honestly thinks he's that funny and can get away with it.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:35:14 AM by FrozenWolf2

I'm A Pervert not an Asshole!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11860: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:46:31 AM

Doug Walker not being able to own up to making really tasteless and awful jokes...I'm not surprised. If his self-esteem really is low, he might be clinging on to his identity as a comedian to avoid falling into even worse malaise. He'll beat himself up for other flaws, real and imaginary, and let people walk over him...but he will ignore criticism of his jokes. Because the jokes give his life meaning and make him feel better about himself.

edited 25th Mar '18 7:47:25 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11861: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:50:46 AM

[up][up] You mean mine? It's been a while, I don't have it anymore.

[up] Maybe he changed over the years, but he did apologise for such missteps before, most famously the Mako cigarette joke.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11862: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:54:00 AM

[up] If his issues have been getting worse over time...and it seems like they have...that might explain it.

On a side note, is your avatar supposed to be Samus Aran or something?

edited 25th Mar '18 7:54:57 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11863: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:57:40 AM

[up] Hmm... I don't know. The usual pattern is to double down on the bad jokes and complain about constantly "offending" people, neither of which Doug has done yet, last I remember.

Yeah. I found this a while ago, did some photoshopping, and voila.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11864: Mar 25th 2018 at 7:59:59 AM

[up] But that would be confrontational. And people with bad self-esteem tend to try and avoid confrontation. So it would make sense for him to just ignore criticism. Bury his head in the sand. Just like how he's been handling the other problems with CA.

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Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11865: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:02:21 AM

[up] Actually, this makes me wonder what he can do about the criticism. How much control does he actually have besides proclaiming "fix your shit or I'll move in with AVGN" or something?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11866: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:04:58 AM

IMHO, Doug Walker would probably be happier if he followed Todd and Linkara and all the others and scaled down his operations.

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Motyka5 Since: Aug, 2011
#11867: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:09:26 AM

[up][up] Some people on Twitter theorized that Doug's contract might have the same non-competition clause that Holly had which would prevent him from making videos for profit for a few years if he left. (Of course, without him, Michaud could do jackshit with NC as a character.)

Just a person. He/him.
Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#11868: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:10:39 AM

[up][up] No Offense but unless you know him personally IRL, I doubt you can actually say what makes Doug happy or not or if he's happy or not.

edited 25th Mar '18 8:10:53 AM by Ghilz

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11869: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:12:15 AM

[up][up] Oh, that's bs. Not making videos for years is in this business known as "career suicide".

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#11870: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:13:02 AM

[up][up] Hence the IMHO at the start of my post. I just know a thing or two about what it's like to have low self-esteem.

edited 25th Mar '18 8:13:09 AM by M84

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#11871: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:33:19 AM

So Marzgurl's tweet up there is posted March 19th. That's ALMOST a full week ago, and so Doug has known for 6 days at least that all this has been tweeted about now. On one hand, Doug has never struck me as the confrontational type who makes a public response himself, he always depended on either Rob or Mike to do that instead. But we damn well never heard A PEEP from them! So on the other hand, by ignoring and unfriending anyone who dare even mention it, no matter how long of a friend they have been to him, Doug is now no better than the other faceless executives you only hear about in the daily news!

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#11872: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:37:51 AM

I mean, that's par for the course. CA has never reacted to anyone leaving before - no matter the controversy. I don't see why they'd change this now.

edited 25th Mar '18 8:38:14 AM by Ghilz

Motyka5 Since: Aug, 2011
#11873: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:39:41 AM

From what I've gathered about Doug from various accounts over the years, he's something of a real-life Mr. Peanutbutter (interestingly, Doug apparently admitted once that he was the Bojack Horseman character that was the most like him): a very nice guy devoid of inherent maliciousness who's undoubtedly talented in some aspects but kinda dumb in others, conflict-avoidant, resistant to change, and having problems with understanding other people's perspective.

edited 25th Mar '18 8:40:27 AM by Motyka5

Just a person. He/him.
kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#11874: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:40:07 AM

So if anyone can just unfriend/block/mute/censor others online, they need to be confronted in another way in order to elicite a response.

THEY GET INVITED TO CONVENTIONS.

YOU KNOW. WHAT TO DO.

Luminosity Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
#11875: Mar 25th 2018 at 8:41:17 AM

I sincerely hope the answer is not "harrass them with invasive and persistent questions".

edited 25th Mar '18 8:41:24 AM by Luminosity


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