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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#201: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:55:03 AM

Yup, ya got that right.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#202: Feb 18th 2015 at 7:58:55 AM

Basically, the only way a villain can survive in DBZ is if they can either regenerate or avoid being hit altogether, because there are several instakill moves, up to and including the Instant Kamehameha.

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DoctorDiabolical So pure. Since: Mar, 2010
So pure.
#203: Feb 18th 2015 at 10:28:32 AM

Or if they're more durable than the last guy.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#204: Feb 18th 2015 at 12:54:01 PM

Power, speed and durability are linked in the DBZ-verse, since it's all based on ki and stuffs, so if you've got the durability to tank an Instant Kamehameha, you probably got the power and speed to render the point moot in the first place.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#205: Mar 7th 2015 at 9:09:44 PM

So... I just had a stupid idea for a crossover. Ready?

Here it goes.

Louise from Zero No Tsukaima tries the summoning ritual...

... and gets Cell out of it.

The only thing that saves Louise is Cell choosing to humor her before killing everyone and using IT to get back to Earth and finish his fight with Gohan... which leads to him boasting Louise could never control him with her magic, and her challenging him to see if he could... so he accepts the binding ritual because he wants to prove that he can No-Sell it. Only, it turns out that he can't. He can No-Sell the mind control parts of it that would make him blindly loyal to Louise and make him fall in love with her, but he can't No-Sell the changes to his base programming that it makes, such as now recognizing Louise instead of Dr. Gero as his 'Master' (and this is assuming Dr. Gero could somehow program it into a biological android's brain to obey him, but just roll with it).

Which means that while he can utterly hate, disagree with and disrespect her, he can't flat out disobey her, and has to follow if not the spirit then at least the letter of her orders. Which makes Louise able to control the most powerful being in the world bar none, who can easily outmatch anything the ZNT world can throw at him.

Cue Louise becoming a Villain Protagonist, using Cell to take over the world, and the Supreme Kai getting involved...

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#206: Mar 7th 2015 at 9:23:20 PM

That could be interesting. It would probably work better as a one-shot than anything else.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#207: Mar 7th 2015 at 9:31:13 PM

It'd be crack, since you can never have any real tension in a story in which the protagonist has access to Cell. Either that, or it's a horror story in which the protagonist (probably Guiche) is trying to survive in a world with a despotic tyrant who wields an invincible, unstoppable monster as a hammer to crush all opposition.

Louise, someone who's never known respect, would most likely quickly become power mad when given such an insanely powerful familiar.

Also, Cell grumbling about stupid Saiyan pride and Stupid Freeza Arrogance.

edited 7th Mar '15 9:45:10 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#208: Mar 7th 2015 at 10:43:08 PM

Speaking of Freeza arrogance, according to the pre-movie release comic, the reason Freeza is going to be a threat again in F is for Resurrection (or whatever the title of the new Dragonball Z movie is going to be) is that he decided to actually train after being resurrected. Apparently, he'd never trained before. Ever.

He estimates that in four months, he'll be strong enough to trounce Goku, despite knowing that Goku killed Majin Buu, and who Majin Buu is.

edited 7th Mar '15 10:44:03 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

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#209: Mar 7th 2015 at 10:50:28 PM

He also had his body in the afterlife.

Revival of F doesn't make much sense.

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#210: Mar 7th 2015 at 10:51:25 PM

Honestly, that's the problem with writing any sort of DBZ material. It's hard to come up with a legitimate threat without it sounding contrived. Or if it takes place in early Z. Everyone is just so ridiculously powerful, they can deal with almost ANYTHING.

That's why I try to avoid any conflicts that can be resolved by how hard you can punch.

But with the new movie stuff, I feel like we're going to get a LOT of "What if Cell trained? What if Majin Buu trained?"

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#211: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:00:38 PM

Cell didn't need to train. He'd been programmed to fight.

Nevertheless, I'd assume Cell would be significantly stronger if he trained instead of going "Hey everyone. Cell Games in ten days. Blowing up the planet if I win. ...Good luck."

Edit: That's another thing. Freeza clearly knew how to fight. If he never trained, how did he learn? Experience? Because I don't think you get much experience fighting when you crush everyone in one blow, no matter how many times you do it.

edited 7th Mar '15 11:02:59 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

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#212: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:18:15 PM

I think there's a difference between 'learning how to fight' and 'rigorous training'. It's like the difference between what Goku does and...say...what Gohan does. Freeza was already the most powerful being in the universe (besides a seemingly extinct magical creature and the God of Destruction). What's the point of getting stronger if you don't NEED to?

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#213: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:20:43 PM

Freeza actually did train. At one point he makes a comment about his father getting dirt on him during training. Problem is, he probably never got any real benefit and never really applied himself, since he was so much stronger than anyone else out there.

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#214: Mar 14th 2015 at 8:38:24 PM

I'm a little surprised there isn't a horde of Xenoverse-based fics here.

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#215: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:01:04 AM

There are a few, the last time I checked. But while Xenoverse has official Original Characters, I don't think the story is complex enough to come up with any original fanfics. It's just "go to this place, fix the timeline, leave".

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#216: Mar 15th 2015 at 10:47:06 AM

The Dragonball section is filled with people writing about not!Gohan going to highschool. And by that, I mean that their self insert wears a Gohan skin to go to high school, because rarely, if ever, does Gohan actually act like, you know, Gohan in those fics, usually because the author is desperate to turn him into a 'badass'.

And they start by killing the Saiyaman Schtick or making him into a serious superhero who doesn't do silly poses and attempts to do Mook Horror Show.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#217: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:35:05 PM

I don't necessarily have a problem with Gohan being a more serious superhero.

I need to rewatch the Great Saiyaman arc, but seriously, what the hell was Gohan thinking?

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#218: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:37:02 PM

[up][up] Oh, my god. This. So much.

It's actually because of that that I'm writing a Gohan-focused fic right now. Where he actually acts like canon. And I'm barely putting any high school scenes into it because, honestly, high school is BORING. Especially when you have a universe like Dragon Ball.

edited 15th Mar '15 1:37:13 PM by LOLypop1224

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#219: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:56:39 PM

[up][up]Gohan is a dork and it shows, a lot. What he was thinking was that the poses were legitimately cool and that the outfit was legitimately awesome.

Admittedly, the outfit itself isn't that bad. It's the helmet that's the problem. The helmet and the cape. Really, if he just went for a domino mask and Super Saiyan to mask his hair, he could both be disguised and avoid looking silly.

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#220: Mar 15th 2015 at 3:03:12 PM

Probably why they had him ditch the helmet and cape at the start of the Buu Saga.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#221: Mar 15th 2015 at 4:52:08 PM

There were two times when I thought the Great Saiyaman was cool: in one of the games where he used his poses as a finishing move, and in Fusion Reborn.

And mainly because of this quote:

"I see that you've forgotten my name. Allow me to remind you. I am son of Goku, guardian of all that is good - Gohan!"

[up](x3) Well, yeah... I guess. I had some ideas, mainly altering the Distortions in a way that's less Timey-Wimey Ball and more Butterfly of Doom. Then I couldn't reconcile how strong the Future Warrior would be, nor did I want to write training montages with Cell and Captain Ginyu.

edited 15th Mar '15 5:08:44 PM by Soble

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#222: Mar 15th 2015 at 5:15:44 PM

Bardock was disgusted that no one believed him. That they would laugh in his face. What was so funny? He had only told them that Frieza was coming, with the gift of genocide! By all the Gods, it was insane. Well, if they would not listen to him, he knew there was one person they all would listen to. With every second counting, Bardock flew to the royal palace, shooting past guards and handservants to enter the Throne Room. King Vegeta looked down at him suspiciously when he burst into the room, literally knocking the doors of the hinges. Not bothering with the customs of ceremony, Bardock walked right up the stairs of the throne as he spoke.

"My King!" He shouted urgently as he approached Vegeta. "You have to listen to me! You have to, no one else will!" Vegeta put a hand to Bardock's shoulder, his brow furrowed in suspicion.

"What troubles you, my old friend?" At this moment, Bardock was extremely grateful for the times he had served at Vegeta's side when the King had been a prince. If nothing else, the man was intensely loyal. Nappa was, by and large, considered one of the most reprehensible people on the planet. But he had brought Vegeta the head of the man who had killed his father, and now, he was the Teacher of the young Prince. Bardock put his hand over Vegeta's, his expression grave.

"Frieza is coming, Vegeta. He is coming to destroy us all." One of the guards let out a guffaw, and Bardock glared daggers at the man.

"My King, do not waste your time with this madman. They heard him in the taverns, talking madness! Look at the state of him!" Bardock would have killed him on the spot, but Vegeta made the man shrink away with a glare. Vegeta looked back at Bardock, one eyebrow raised.

"What makes you think so, Bardock?" Bardock took a deep breath. Now came the difficult part to explain.

"The Kannasans. My team and I thought we killed them all, but one of them survived just long enough to pass to me their ability. I can see the future. I saw Frieza destroy this planet." Some of the people in court laughed, but once again, Vegeta glared them into silence. "Even if I couldn't see the future, Vegeta, they killed my team! Dodoria tried to kill me! He said that Frieza feared the Legend of the Super Saiyan." Vegeta frowned, pursing his lips.

"If I act on this, and you are wrong, if I engage an assault on Frieza, unprovoked, it will mean disaster for us. The Federation of Planets will be calling for our heads. For my head. Frieza will bring the might of his empire down on us." Vegeta shook his head. "And even if you were correct, what would we do against Frieza's might?" Bardock squeezed Vegeta's hand with desperate strength, shaking the man out of his introspection.

"Vegeta, think of all the years I fought beside you. All the years I've faithfully served the crown. Have I ever steered you wrong? Please, my friend. For the sake of our people. For ours sons. I have a plan." There were a few seconds of agonizing silence before Vegeta nodded.

"Very well, Bardock. What is your plan?" Bardock smiled, clapping Vegeta on the shoulder.

"I need you to rally our people. To organize every man, woman, and child on this planet, to point their hands to the sky and fire a beam with all their strength. With all the combined might of our world, we should be able to push back his attack! I'll fly out to meet him first. When I fire, the light in the sky will be the signal." Vegeta nodded, before a sudden realization set in on him.

"But, if you are there when the blasts hit..." Bardock nodded, grimly.

"Watch over my family, old friend." He asked the king, and Vegeta gave Bardock the customary Saiyan salute.

"I could think of no greater honor." He said honestly, and Bardock returned the salute before he ran down the steps....and saw his wife Gine, standing at the doorway, arms crossed, giving him the scowl that always let him know he was in serious trouble.

"Weren't you going to even tell me about your crazy plan?" Gine asked, her voice choked with emotion. Bardock sighed, unable to look her in the eye.

"Gine, there was no time. I have to-" Gine cut off his apology with a slap across the face. Bardock held his cheek in surprise. She'd never struck him before.

"You're not going anywhere." Gine said angrily, but before Bardock could tell her anything, that they had no time, that there was no other way...she reached up to cup his cheeks in both hands. "Not without me." And again, she cut off his protests, this time with a kiss. She broke the kiss, blinking away tears. "I am with you. For all our battles. Even this." Bardock had never been as in love with his wife as he was at that moment. He squeezed her hands, and they flew out of the throne room.

With an extra punch of speed, they were out in the upper atmosphere, Frieza's forces amassed in front of them. The Tyrant himself floated in his chair, one finger curled under his chin, grinning smugly. Bardock held out his fist, and Gine put her hand to his. Their fists crackled in united energy as they fired a blast of energy at Frieza. He cackled in the void of space, raising a finger to lob a small orange ball of energy at them, which grew and grew. He threw back his head, laughing louder and louder in the nothingness.

Far below on the planet's surface, Vegeta raised his hand to signal the attack. His people. Millions of them. All fighting at his command. Their lives were his responsibility. They fired beams with all their strength, out into the night sky. Firing for their own survival.

Bardock and Gine pushed back at Frieza's ball with everything they had, though the ball kept pushing towards them and growing as if they were doing nothing at all. Just when it felt hopeless, he felt the heat of the energy coming from the planet at his back. He looked at Gine and smiled, just before they were sandwiched between the blasts and absorbed in white hot oblivion.

Frieza's eyes went wide with surprise as the ball he fired came flying right back at him. Before he even had a chance to change into one of his more powerful forms and push it back, the ball absorbed him, obliterating his men, his ship, even most of him. He'd had to transform to survive. As the blast carried him halfway across the blank void of space, he swore to himself that he would destroy the Saiyans. He would have his revenge.

edited 15th Mar '15 5:17:30 PM by SonOfSharknado

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#223: Mar 15th 2015 at 7:34:45 PM

Ooh, so the Saiyans repel Frieza together. Do you have a name for this snippet - perhaps, Attack on Frieza, aw haw haw hah... though, King Vegeta blasted Paragus for trying to save Broly. I don't really see Bardock having any special relationship with him, or using words like "my friend" or Vegeta heeding his advice.

Since you mentioned Gine, I guess Bardock's characterization here is based off of his appearance in Dragonball Minus, so nevermind. -grumble- "Family Man Bardock" instead of "Dashing Rogue Bardock"? You disgust me!

Good post!

edited 15th Mar '15 7:36:35 PM by Soble

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#224: Mar 15th 2015 at 7:42:21 PM

This is the opening snippet of a fic I had in mind for a few years. Basically, the only main change I made to the canon (before the story started, at least) was to have Bardock, rather than be a random grunt, as a guy who had served alongside Vegeta, served him faithfully, been the closest thing Vegeta had to a friend. Just to make him more likely to listen to Bardock.

And back when I originally had the idea, Goku's mom didn't exist yet, so the character I had in mind was a lot closer to Goku's mom in Dragonball Multiverse. But, she exists, so that's what I had to work with.

edited 15th Mar '15 7:42:38 PM by SonOfSharknado

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#225: Mar 15th 2015 at 8:12:13 PM

You know, you don't actually need to make Bardock someone well known to the King for him to believe Bardock's story.

Because the King already knows Freeza's going to destroy the planet sooner or later. he was pretty much aware Freeza was just looking for a chance to wipe them out in the special, that's why he went to confront Freeza and got killed personally.

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