Disney/Pixar In General

I'd take Dinosaur out because its inclusion was historical revisionism in the first place.

Yeah, I agree, to me the rules should be fixed, and adding Dinosaurs was kind of a cheat. Likewise, I don't agree to pick movies to add. If you add for example Nightmare before Christmas, you should add The Giant Peach, too in order to be consistent. But for me a Disney classic should be done mainly by the animation studios.

Being in the canon theoretically means that Disney would show it more attention, rerelease it on a decent frequency and merchandise it more (though not really).

If we're thinking retroactively, if a movie were in the canon all along then it would have had DAC caliber production values and writing as well, but that's even more hypothetical.

I suppose if I had to pick one for the canon that isn't in it now, it'd be A Goofy Movie.

edited 21st Mar '17 11:50:27 AM by KnownUnknown

Theoretically. Practically it has done movies like The Black Cauldron, Home on the Range and the package movies little good.

Being in the canon only does something for you if your movie is popular.

The Black Cauldron was a canon film, and it had to wait fifteen years to be released on VHS, as an example.

It does little good even to several of the movies Disney doesn't actively want to ignore or did reasonably well at the time.

The anthology movies, anything that was made in the 2000's that's not Lilo and Stitch, basically everything between Jungle Book and Little Mermaid that isn't Winnie the Pooh, etc. Some have fared better than others, most aren't particularly well storied or remembered by Disney itself.

Still, it might beat "lol, we made that? Who cares?"

edited 21st Mar '17 1:37:31 PM by KnownUnknown

Another Lilo and Stitch spinoff series has started over in China, Stitch and Ai http://m.xinhuanet.com/2017-03/27/c_1120703040.htm

First episode's actually got some decent boarding going on in it. Acknowledges the original in that at some point, Stitch had been separated from Lilo by alien mercenaries or something. http://big5.cntv.cn/gate/big5/tv.cctv.com/2017/03/27/VIDEqji9jDCAHDYA1saxzzZm170327.shtml

I love Lilo and Stitch, but I still find its enormous international popularity more than a bit bizarre.

It was the only Disney film from that era that really, genuinely hit big. Everything else either ended up a failure with a cult following (Atlantis, Treasure Planet), or got treated like a red-headed stepchild by the company (The Emperors New Groove).

edited 2nd Apr '17 11:20:44 AM by Aldo930

okay but that doesn't really answer why it's as big as it is

x2 The Emperor's New Groove got a TV show, so Disney clearly had some faith in it.

That was a couple of years after the film came out. In the immediate wake, Disney pretty much put it out there with no advertising and gave all the promotion to the sequel to the live-action 101 Dalmatians.

Stitch is huge in Japan and China because those cultures love cute bizarre creatures that are adorable and dangerous looking at once. That's the key behind the creation of Pokemon, Digimo, Yokai Watch and their ilk, after all; it's a long standing cultural thing tied to ther legends about beings that in the West would be treated as demons and boogeymen instead.

Alternatively, Lilo herself is unpopular there because those cultures aren't fond of oddball outcast types who don't mesh well with a crowd, and that's why they keep replacing her with girls who are more socially acceptable for them. It's telling Stitch has two appearances in Kingdom Hearts and Lilo has none, for instance.

edited 2nd Apr '17 12:26:27 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

Lilo's absence made sense the second time Stitch showed up, as chronologically he hadn't even been to Hawaii^note I'd say Earth, but Kingdom Hearts cosmology is complicated yet.

Well, yeah, but then again, the devs did decide setting that world while Stitch was in outer space rather than in Hawaii.

Granted, one also could say the space setting gave the game more action possibilities and took the level apart from all other worlds in the game, and that's actually a pretty fair point, so I still don't hold that against them.

edited 2nd Apr '17 6:20:56 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

I think the real issue that's kept Kingdom Heart out of Hawaii is how similar it is to the Destiny Islands. It's the same reason that they didn't make a Jungle Book level because they already had Tarzan.

Speaking of the tropics, how did Tamatoa get so popular?

Because he's shiiiiny!

They can't use Tarzan anymore and the Jungle Book live action was a mega hit with a sequel in the works, so hopefully III will have a Jungle Book world.

Although that game will never come out.

I mean, they must still retain some rights to use it, as it's in the first game and that was just re-released with the second game on the PS 4.

Re-releases are fine, I think. It's not like they can't show the movie in the Disney Channel anymore either, it's just they can't do any more new Tarzan stuff.

And yeah, growing up as a 'discomformist' or somesuch in the Far East tends to be very rough. You're expected to meet social standards quite rigurously, from your elementary school to your adult site of work.

edited 2nd Apr '17 7:23:28 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

I find cultural differences like that so interesting, something that I wish didn't get overlooked when evaluating why x and y are different in different countries

edited 2nd Apr '17 11:15:27 PM by JoyandPeace

It saddened me so much because Lilo is genuinely an interesting and compelling character. It hurts the story that she kept being Demoted to Extra in every single non-US installment.

I find it even more interesting since there is Japanese media that I've seen that depicts outsider characters in a sympathetic light (though often not nearly as sympathetic as in Western media), though from what I can tell, a lot of it tends to be far more popular in the west than in its home country. Watamote is the biggest example I can think of there.

RIP Mr. Potato Head