Privacy, Government, Surveillance, and You.

Nobody is asking for everyone to have access to the knowledge, but in meatspace the police can get access to my CCTV image and the store owner can bar be via that image, those are two things that can't be done online currently (at least not properly). It's the ability to do those two things that we're asking for.

edited 21st Aug '15 4:43:28 PM by Silasw

"Nobody is asking for everyone to have access to the knowledge"

Are you sure? Anyway, why online?

Of course I'm being playful, but as a black male, I find this sentiment amusing.

You'd be surprised, especially if you take photographs in public places.

X3 By nobody I mean nobody in this thread. As for why online, because we have systems for this offline and there are a lot of people who'd like proper safe spaces online, who are tired of the Wild West style Internet and would like to build towns and civilisation here. Right now the closest we have is IP bans and they are far from enough, they tend to catch a lot of innocents in the net and can be worked around with relative ease.

Ashley Madison hack is still an invasion of privacy.

Relevant quotes:

"Privacy is a lot like free speech. You can't claim to advocate free speech and then cheer when someone censors a book you don't like. And you can't claim to support privacy and then cheer when an invasion of privacy exposes a bunch of people whose behavior you don't like.

Remember the obnoxious finger waggers who chided that we shouldn't worry about the NSA if we have nothing to hide? The self-righteous prudes who chastised the victims of stolen nude photos for daring to have ever been naked in front of a camera? That's you now if you're reveling in the afterglow of the Ashley Madison attack."

"Today, it's a dating website for cheaters, and we all laugh. Tomorrow, maybe it's the names of anyone who has ever had an abortion in the US. Or how much money you make each week, or your Social Security number and your home address. Or maybe all 4.5GB of your Gmail inbox will be splayed across the internet for all to read."

edited 24th Aug '15 8:28:01 AM by speedyboris

Nobody here has ever said that it was not a serious privacy breach.

Was I accusing anyone of saying it wasn't a serious security breach?

Was I accusing someone of saying that someone said it wasn't not, according to some, a serious security breach?

Here on the forum, no, but I have heard several people IRL laughing about those exposed via the hack. Most of them have shut up when I pointed out that the next hack could be something like their fantasy football league, or their Amazon orders.

Already a few suicides have been linked to the Ashley Madison hack

It's hard not to laugh, that's human nature. Then take a second and reflect on the larger implications.

You wanna laugh? Hear a joke. I heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Life seems harsh, and cruel. Says he feels all alone in threatening world. Doctor says: "Treatment is simple. The great clown - Pagliacci - is in town. Go see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. "But doctor..." he says "I am Pagliacci." Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains.

Laugh until you cry, sad clown.

And now the lawsuits begin.

Frederick Forsyth Tells How He Helped MI6

He's not the only person of course. People like Noel Coward, Graham Greene and others are known to have done some work on the side^note  Or if they came across anything interesting, they knew who to pass anything onto. No doubt some well-known actors still do work for intelligence services.

edited 30th Aug '15 3:25:11 AM by Greenmantle

Working for a spy agency places you at extreme risk... for writing spy novels.

I really enjoyed "The Cobra".

I've got that one. Got several of his novels, in fact. That and John Gardner's Bonds.

Gov. Chris Christie suggests using the same kind of FedEx tracking technology on immigrants.

...I have no words. Well okay, I do. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?! This kind of strategy would NOT attract people to this country. And this is such a dystopian idea it's not even funny. Worst part is, he'd claim it would only be used on immigrants, but then mission creep comes in and soon he'd want it used on ALL Americans.

Get out of the race with your terrible idea, Chris.

edited 31st Aug '15 7:09:42 AM by speedyboris

No, most Americans are safe.

His position comes from one of white supremacy, not 1984 style oppression.

Think of it as a much more high tech gold star.

edited 31st Aug '15 7:12:06 AM by LeGarcon

Even if it weren't eventually used on everybody, it's still a terrible idea and Chris should be ashamed of himself.

These kind of policies when it comes to immigrants aren't unpopular.

For fuck's sake, Trump's entire foreign policy is based around white supremacy and he's by far and away the most popular Republican.

Can I take out extra insurance on my immigrant?

No one is safe from Chris Christie when he is hungry. Any tracking device he puts on people does not make me think of 1984, but rather, The Most Dangerous Game.