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Well, duh. How is that even a "conspiracy" theory? Why wouldn't they do that?

...who said it was a "conspiracy" theory?

It'sIt's just a theory... a GAME [shot]

I haven't played much recently. Busy with other games and life. Decided to play some games, managed to do 15 but I'm getting pretty sick of the ladder meta. I've faced 50% Druid. One aggro, the rest Jade. I'm playing the Control Paladin deck I linked to some time back and I'm winning twice that I'm losing but damn if those games aren't uninteresting. Think I'll peace out of the game again for a while.

I'ts fun to beat up Quest Rogues though.

That doesn't really sound like the meta I've been running into. Have things changed that much in the last few days?

It's 99.9% quest rogues, it's damn near impossible to get my quests done.

That damn quest needs a nerf.

Also Warlock needs a huge buff, it's stupid how bad it is.

edited 21st May '17 1:56:59 AM by Memers

Well, I'll admit to the sample size being fairly small this time, but it's not completely different from the meta I saw last month when I was playing more.

I'm on EU and here Jade Druid has always been pretty popular, even before it became common knowledge that it's still a tier 1 deck in Un'Goro. Nothing like 50% of meta, but it was more common than Quest Rogue or Pirate Warrior when the Murlock Paladins ruled the ladder. I'm unsure why it would be the dominant deck now, but I've seen almost no Murloc Paladins and I assume those beat up Jade Druid pretty easily, so their disappearance might explain it. Or I might be wrong on how that matchup goes.

Odd. Jade Druid has never been a Tier 1 deck, despite what r/hearthstone would have us believe. The most likely reason for an upsurge of Jade Druids is if it's a reaction to an increase in Control decks. I would expect the faster Token Druid to be more popular, especially since it's favoured against Pirate Warrior, Quest Rogue and probably Murloc Paladin if teched correctly (read: CRABS EVERYWHERE).

As for the 99.9% Quest Rogue meta... well, I'm fairly sure it only exists in Memers' head.

Caveat: Rank 5 NA meta. I'm actually pretty bad with Secret Mage.

edited 21st May '17 8:56:27 AM by Pyrite

Jade got a lot better with Earthen Scales, Primordial Drake and Tar Creeper. They got survival tools to out last aggro and almost always wins vs control. It can't stack up to Midrange like Purify Priest though.

And I faced 9 Quest Rogues in a row at rank 15, only won 2 because fuck warlock.

edited 21st May '17 4:54:36 AM by Memers

One of Zoolock's few favoured matchups is Quest Rogue.

Zoo is nowhere near fast enough to handle Quest Rogue, especially when they get the quest done on turn 4 every single god damn time.

edited 21st May '17 5:17:48 AM by Memers

Oh hey, this is kinda neat.

Yeah, I'm not sure how Zoo is supposed to deal with Quest Rogues. Really, the only thing you can do is to clear their board consistently and hope they don't draw all pandas/Shadowsteps in their first three turns.

edited 21st May '17 5:14:25 AM by FergardStratoavis

That was actually one of the examples given when the Rogue quest was first revealed, if I recall correctly.

Also, if playing Zoo (or any other board flood deck) against Quest Rogue, trading isn't always correct. You can set up a wider board than they can at the start. Only trade if you need to protect your minions or disrupt their quest by killing a bounced minion that was left on board - otherwise, maintain tempo and keep pushing face damage. It's a little harder now that Quest Rogues are more refined, since they run Glacial Shard, Tar Creeper and / or Tolvir Stoneshaper and always have Prep-Vanish or Quest in their back pocket, but they're still unfavoured.

The exception: you want to keep their board clear just before the Quest turn so that their ability to make value trades is delayed - they only have so many chargers to make value trades with post-quest (and should have less if you've forced them to use their chargers as removal), so you want to make sure you're as wide as possible so that you still have enough residual damage to kill them on board.

edited 21st May '17 5:50:42 AM by Pyrite

If you're just playing Warlock to complete daily quests you're going to have a bad time no matter what you play against... Just saying.

Rank 4 EU here. I'm facing a lot of Secret Mages myself too. Druids are pretty much all Jade Druids here. I know Firebat likes the deck but the Vicious Syndicate win rate statistics aren't spectacularly good (47% overall). I don't mind either deck when I'm playing Paladin, but Secret Mage can trip me up if they're playing unorthodox secrets.

Hmmm. I heard Warlock was pretty strong last expansion. If only there was a game mode where I could use those cards that were rotated out... :thinking:

Oh my lord.

Yeah, I'm not seeing how that's better than the standard Jade Druid. I mean over half of your deck is still the core of draw and ramp, so you can't include that many cheap and good 3 or less cards to make it that much more aggressive/safe and you still rely on drawing a single card for starting your combo and by doing so you lose most of your already limited removal.

What's the upside? Seems like he can get the draw and play idol combo train rolling a bit earlier, like in the video he's doing it around turn 10 whereas the druids I've played tend to have drawn all of their deck around turn 15 or so. It's earlier, sure, but requires your draw to be such that you can actually save the draw cards for the jades, plus having the activator and even then there are classes that are able to shut that down. You spend so many idols just ramping the jades up to significance, if your counter is still at 1 or 2 by the time turn 10 rolls around.

So yeah, my impression is that it's less consistent than the current iteration and good against pretty much the decks that Jade Druid already crushes. Not having tried it, I might be completely off base of course.

Edit: That being said, it seems like a neat meme deck. Apologies if I came off as needlessly combative, that was not the intention.

edited 21st May '17 1:35:15 PM by GabrieltheThird

It's HysteriaA, a player known for pulling off weird memes and unique situations. It's just for the lols.

I *finally* clawed my way to rank 10 tonight (with secret mage).

The problem for me is not any particular deck, it's that it's really hard to get a deck that does well enough against such a diverse field to get reliable win-streaks (and being a new deck to me doesn't help). This is good for meta balance but bad for my time and patience.

Congrats on 10. Agree with not being able to get a good grasp on the meta at this point due to how diverse it is (and Secret Mage is supposed to have a pretty good all-round performance unless I'm the pilot)... but if you think it's bad, wait until you see the ranked floors, where anything goes.

Over the past two days I've managed to lose to Doomsayer Hunter, Vicious Fledgling Priest and Secret Mage with Eater tech (okay, so the last is more of a "is it worth it?" dubious pick instead of outright WTF: they probably really just want to beat the mirror and Paladin) at Rank 5 because how in the blue hells are you supposed to play around any of this nonsense?

The part that makes me really salty, though, is that people will start to think that those cards are actually good in those decks because they got an odd win, instead of looking at its overall performance against the meta. (Or maybe they've found the latest meta-breaker and it's just a matter of time?)

edited 28th May '17 6:12:08 AM by Pyrite

Any edge you can get against the meta at your rank is probably at least worth looking at. It's difficult to get any deck above an average of 51% right now unless you're either good or lucky.

For all that people complain about RNG and legendary requirements, this meta has been one of the most even I've ever seen in terms of no one deck having a massive edge.

There's been no real deck that's been a constant for me to face so far, which has been fun.

Well Quest Rogue is very annoying but i have playing a lot of Elemental Mage which i just limit myself to do the SMORC life and i win most games.

I haven't played against as much quest rogue recently, it's not nearly as constant as it was earlier.