RWBY General Discussion

Indeed I did.

To rephrase: the most likely result of them explaining Cinder's survival will be either a retcon (Cinder totally survived the fall because Grimm regeneration), or a weak plot device (we saw Raven do it so Cinder should be able to do it, but we're just not going to show you how she did it and make it seem as though she actually died).

Both of which could be avoided by just altering the scene to establish Cinder's survival right off the bat.

Given how anti-climatically Torchwick died I wouldn't be surprised if this actually killed her - I'd be happier with that than Cinder miraculously thawing herself out in free fall and firebending her way to safety off-screen.

edited 20th Feb '18 2:11:02 PM by Soble

I'M MR. MEESEEKS, LOOK AT ME!

@The Lovecraftian; this is nothing. I've seen people talk for ages about Bleach, and Bleach was one of the worst major shonen I've read in terms of writing.

RWBY recently has sucked on a number of levels, so the amount of controversy and discussion that would generate doesn't surprise me.

edited 20th Feb '18 2:04:19 PM by damage3245

I'd actually agree this is similar to Bleach, in that people actively exaggerated its flaws as well. But as far as this volume goes, I wouldn't call it "good", but I'm not sure I'd say it "sucked" either. It's not the worst volume for me, anyways. It's second worst.

edited 20th Feb '18 2:07:10 PM by LSBK

Yeah I am not at all in the group that says this volume sucks. Not as good as some previous volumes but I wouldn't go that far.

As for Cinder surviving, narratively it makes the least amount of sense for Raven to be the one to kill her over Ruby or Jaune, especially seeing as the former has yet to have any resolution to her big grudge. Not even a fight scene (and in reverse Cinder lacked a resolution to her grudge against Ruby). We also saw Raven get out of the same predicament the episode before using the same powers Cinder has so it's clearly foreshadowed.

My guess is that Cinder will come back worse for wear, having broken out of the ice in time to avoid death but not serious injury. Potentially setting her up to be more scarred/grimmified after each defeat or setback.

RWBY and Bleach are actually pretty similar in regards to being aesthetically pleasing but not much substance to the writing, though I'm going to be honest and say that RWBY probably has even now a better idea of where it's going plot wise than Bleach ever did.

edited 20th Feb '18 2:35:59 PM by Sigilbreaker26

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

To be fair, Kubo had a lot of things going against him. Executive Meddling and health being two things. What's RT's excuse?

edited 20th Feb '18 2:39:41 PM by erazor0707

A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.

RT doesn't have an excuse. They've been producing content for over 10 years by the time RWBY started. They have the talent, the budget, the time...

Yeah, I think I said earlier it's rare to have this sort of series without intensive oversight. But maybe that's the problem, Protection from Editors and all that.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

I do not think this volume sucked. I enjoyed it. Probably not as much as the first three seasons, but I was still satisfied.

And there are people who think 5 was the best volume yet. I....do not understand their belief but people here do need to accept.that their opinions aren't universal and.they should not say things like "everybody agrees volume 5 sucks."

What did you enjoy in this volume? I found so very few things to enjoy I genuinely can't see this volume as an enjoyable experience, so please elucidate me.

It seemed to me like this forum was in agreement that this had been a really bad volume. I may have been mistaken about that.

edited 20th Feb '18 3:16:06 PM by TheLovecraftian

Well, "this volume sucks" is definitely the dominant opinion in this thread, so it's not wrong to frame it as such.

The majority do hold a negative opinion, but it is wrong to say that the forum is in agreement on it. We even had a trooper whose name escapes me right now who gave us his thoughts as he binged 4 and 5 and came away with a positive impression.

Pretty sure I never said I hated the volume either. At most I said there were things that could have been better in volume 5.

"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa

I don't "hate" season 5 but I don't think it's good.

Curiosity about some random kid is not a good reason for Cinder to sideline her goal and ignore Ruby, especially since she knows Ruby could Silver Eyes her ass (and she almost does). If she was really that curious, she could have sated her desire to know what Jaune's deal was after dealing with Ruby.

An easier and more viable target than an already unconscious Ruby, who also just tried to Silver Eyes Cinder?!?

She altered the plan just to get to Ruby and has been pretty fixated on her ever since the beginning of Volume 4. Ignoring Ruby does not gel with what we've been shown of Cinder and her goal.

Also, prioritizing Ruby does not preclude any sadist actions or automatically lead to a quick revenge. Even then, Cinder seemed perfectly content with quickly murdering Jaune after getting mad before he changed her mind into switching targets.

edited 20th Feb '18 4:41:00 PM by Karxrida

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Yeah, after she set her swords on fire Cinder seemed like she had finished toying with Jaune.

If anything, she should have moved on to taunting Ruby and stabbing Wiess in front of her to mock how weak she was.

"And when the last law was down and the Devil turned round on you, where would you hide, the laws all being flat?"

Unless I'm mistaken Salem still wants Ruby alive, and Jaune was the one who started the fight with her. If left to her own devices I'm assuming she would have singled Ruby out in the fight rather than toy with Jaune.

I've said before that I liked volume 5 fine and didn't have nearly as much issue as others here. Though I mostly attribute that to my being far less emotionally invested in it than I think others have have been demonstrated to be. I take RWBY as a fun action show, so I generally just enjoy it on a surface level without a lot of extra thought going into it. Action was sparse, yes, and I can relate to complaints about the redundant Internal Reveals, but on the whole I didn't share as many of the issues about the writing as most, I didn't share any of the over the top vitriol towards Blake at all, and I even liked Weiss vs Wasps.

That sparks a question to me: Do you think Cinder is so focused on Ruby because she can hurt her, because she did hurt her, or a mix of both?

edited 20th Feb '18 4:52:27 PM by sgamer82

This is based a bit off Jessica Nigri's thoughts but Cinder is a very proud woman who thinks she deserved the maidens powers and then went out and did what it room to achieve them. So Ruby hurting her badly enough that she now has to cover up and being made weak has got to be a serious blow to her ego and her personality.

I believe it's a combination of factors, including these and what Shaoken mentioned above. I think Cinder sees Ruby as an inferior being and is thus appalled by being bested by somebody she saw as beneath notice.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Hm... you know, I'm thinking... Cinder's thing is she wants to be strong, feared and powerful, according to Beggining Of The End, in volume 3. Her character is inspired by Cinderella, a story where a young girl is treated as nothing by her family, but eventually becomes royalty by marrying the prince. Now, Cinder's big moment thus far was the Fall of Beacon, where she got the full Maiden powers, and the place she immediately went to after obtaining power and killing Ozpin was the top of Beacon Tower, Ozpin's office. There, she looked at the Dragon, and said that this place was it's home now. So... maybe we've all interpreted "power", "strength" and "feared" wrong. She wants the Maiden powers, of course, but...

Cinder is a descendant of The King Of Vale, and wants to take Vale for herself and be it's new Queen, thinking it's her birthright.

Of course, that would make her Ozpin's descendant, given he's all but confirmed to be The King of Vale. It would also mean that her thing with Ruby isn't just that she grievously harmed Cinder in her moment of triumph, but because Ruby is a commoner, daring to raise her hand against royalty. It would also explain her expressed dislike of bandits (not that there's anything weird about disliking bandits, it just fits with the idea nicely), and why she continually seems to think she's entitled to have powers she hasn't earned.

My headcanon is that Cinder wanted to be a huntres(being a princess here) and Salem help her, the she figured out something about Ozpin(probably warped by Salem) that make her join.

Anyway, volume 5 is my second favorite so far but I do think is a vast decresse in quality, to the point I didnt care spoiler myself several episode here instead of just going on and watching the show, to contrast volume 3 was so good to me that I saw it the same day the episode aired up.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I enjoyed the views of Haven we got, Yang’s development, Oscarand Ozpin’s interactions with the other characters, The reunions between characters, Weiss wanting to help others but being unable to, the new Grimm, the method they used to unite Weiss and Yang, Yang’s confrontations of Raven, Raven revealing more of how terrible she is, the Raven Cinder fight, the Raven/Vernal fakeout, Raven mocking Cinder, Adam’s increased derangement, Illia’s plotline, Ghira and Kali, Blake becoming more assertive and deciding to fight for her beliefs again and to take back what once belonged to her, Qrow’s search for his friends, the relic scene, Yang’s method of finding Ruby, Hazel’s anger towards Ozpin and it being personal, Hazel’s fighting style, Emerald’s silver eye block and her declaration of devotion to Cinder as well as her traumatic illusion, Jaune’s semblance, Ruby’s demonstration of her personality to Raven and Raven’s response, Sun’s supportiveness, the revelation of how Qrow and Raven ended up in Beacon, Jaune and Ruby’s flashback to Pyrrha.

That gives you the gist I guess?

The troper who binged is Marq FJA. I know Marq from elsewhere. I also have a positive opinion, if less than his.

Views of Haven? As in just the scenery? Because I don't think we got to experience anything what Haven is actually like or develop a reason to care about. It's just a backdrop.

Which is part of the reason why the Battle for Haven should have been in volume 6, and they instead spend time in volume 5 making us care about the place and having some investment in it; like bringing back the students that we know are from Haven, or showing us some Huntsmen or Huntresses that work at Haven.