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Hang on, is this implying a theory that Qrow is Ruby's biological father? You know, I could see that. By his own admission, he can't be close to people for any length of time, so Taiyang would be a better guardian/father figure in any event. Could even see him marrying Summer to keep the outward image clear (were Taiyang and Summer married? Ruby uses the Nom de Mom, after all).

Sorry if any of this seems like silly questions, I'm relatively new to the RWBY fandom so I don't know all the hot theories and fanwank and so on.

edited 2nd Jul '17 8:47:51 AM by sgamer82

Qrow has never come across as a dick to Yang. He comes across to me as someone who has a very good understanding of Ruby and Yang's different personalities and he therefore has different approaches to handling those personalities. He came across just as caring to Yang as he did to Ruby, but in a way that was tailored to their different personalities; he also started treating Yang in a more adult way sooner than he did with Ruby.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Agreed.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn

he call her crazy when she was defending herself against the acusation against her, that is not treating her like an adult, that is just Being an asshole.

Which is actually quite telling because Qrow is a general dick to others, people Forget is because he is cool and when you are cool you can be dick and get Away with it(see vegeta) he pick fights with others and have a very dr house sense of "if I feel I said the truth, everyone else can suck it" Ruby is so far the only one who he treat with softness and I think it have to be with Summer

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

"You're either lying, or your crazy."
"I saw him try to attack me."
"Crazy then."

That's not being a dick. Yang legit just said she was (in everyone's mind) hallucinating Mercury attacking her. Qrow was, in that case, just stating a fact.

Also, it appears no one caught this but:

Excuse me. But what the actual fuck? HOW is Taiyang clearly abusive? What show were you watching?

It's a fan theory, but yes. There's a theory that Qrow is Ruby's actual father. The issue with that is that Qrow and Taiyang seem to have a good relationship, and they wouldn't have is Summer cheated on her husband with Qrow, because Summer and Taiyang did get married. As to the Nom de Mom thing:

• Ruby Xiao Long doesn't sound as good as Ruby Rose. In fact, Ruby Xiao Long actually sounds quite awkward to say out loud.
• Nowhere is it said women in Remnant need to take their spouse's name. Hell, we have an example of the reverse being true with Jacques Schnee (nee, Jacques Gelee).
  • There's also a Real Life precedent for a lot of women not taking their husband's name, so I don't see how Ruby using her mother's name is any indication

edited 2nd Jul '17 9:24:39 AM by BlackSunNocturne

she is niece, you could expect him to be a little more delicated with that or a léast give her the benéfict of doubt, contrast this in how he Tell Ruby everything.

Sure qrow state fact but how he does is what make him a dick, is typical troll Logic of "just saying facts" to be dick to others as is enconter with Winter show

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Maybe Qrow thought that Yang was acting a little too much like Raven? Outside of that moment there was no indication I know of that he was a dick to Yang in general. She likes him every bit as much as Ruby, to whom he's openly affectionate Though, yes, Winter was pure trolling.

edited 2nd Jul '17 9:23:31 AM by sgamer82

is not just trollish since what he said isnt false but in how he did, Qrow have a thing for brutal honesty and a times he cares very little about other feelings about it, when Yang is acused he just shurg is should about it.

Ir anything I cant see him acting the same way about Ruby

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

@unkowing: Can you please type your sentences properly, especially when having a discussion on something like this? It's kind of difficult to understand you.

Yeah, that's probably what he was thinking: "Oh shit, she's acting like her mom. Nip it in the bud. The world can't handle two women like Raven." or something like that

right now I cant, Sorry.

But to resume this: when it come to Ruby, Qrow seen to care enought to not be a sarcastic ass like usually and show waaaaay more táct around her than any other chararter, calling Yang crazy is a little bit harsh on him consider they are family

edited 2nd Jul '17 9:35:59 AM by unknowing

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Qrow is being a dick but in a joking way specific to Yang because she could probably use a laugh. See conversation about losing brain cells between Yang and Taiyang for more.

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Twitter

Note that Qrow starts off the conversation with a gentle, "Hey, there, Firecracker." He's not being mean, he's just trying to get to the bottom of why his niece apparently broke some dude's leg for no reason. He also takes back the crazy comment in the same conversation when Raven is brought up and it becomes more clear to him that circumstances aren't what they seem.

The one time he was genuinely hard of Yang was the exact same time he was hard on Ruby, after their video game session when he lectured them both on not taking their enemies seriously enough.

I'm fairly confident that Qrow's closeness with Ruby is at least partially transference of his relationship with Summer. Whether that means he had actual romantic feelings for Summer, or just feels guilty about her death (I think his mumbling in ep 9 of this season at least implies that much) , it makes me think that on some level he's trying to "make up" for things with her via Ruby. Not to say that he wouldn't and doesn't care about her outside of that, but, still.

Edit: And while I don't put any stock into the "Qrow is Ruby's real father" theories, I do have to admit it seems a bit weird that even now, Taiyang comes off as more...of an afterthought to Ruby.

edited 2nd Jul '17 11:58:59 AM by LSBK

God, I hope not. That would just be such a hackneyed plot device.

You're parsing that sentence wrong. The "clearly has an abusive father" is referring to Weiss, not Ruby.

edited 2nd Jul '17 11:47:40 AM by NativeJovian

Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.

Also a much more mundane reason for any different treatment of the sisters is that Yang's the eldest and Ruby is the baby of the family. Considering Qrow has no kids of his own, they're the closest thing to daughters he has. Of course he's going to talk differently to the big girl vs the baby.

Seriously. But they've already done the "good brother made good things and evil brother made evil things" hackneyed mythological plot device so I wouldn't be surprised if they went this way.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn

Eh, they kind of put a twist on it with the two of them coming to an actual compromise. Maybe it's a bit too early to call, but in a lot of other things that would have been used to set up the "god of darkness" as the ultimate antagonist of the story.

edited 2nd Jul '17 12:09:49 PM by LSBK

Hmm. That is a good point. Though I'm still going to hope that the story is badly mangled and what actually happened is more interesting. Because that was hella generic.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn

I think a big part of the reason Qrow seems closer to Ruby than Taiyang is just because Qrow's had more screen time with her than Taiyang has. We've only seen Ruby and Taiyang interact for the tail end of one episode right?

Yang seems to have just as close of a relationship to Qrow as Ruby does. Playing video games with him, having emotional moments with him, etc. The main difference with Yang and Ruby is just that Yang gets to have more episodes where she's having moments with Taiyang.

Plus I think they both look to their Uncle Qrow as a surrogate parent, since both of their mothers were absent.

edited 2nd Jul '17 12:32:16 PM by xanderiskander

It occurs to me that the difference in interaction and screen time is equally true in Chibi. Both of Taiyang's appearances there centered on Yang, while all Ruby did was obediently stand up straight when told

...that's a lot to respond to. Going to need a minute. Just wanted to correct this:

I had to rewrite my post because it looked like I was drunk when I typed it. Yes, I was referring to Jacque Schnee being an abusive dad, not Taiyang. I was saying that Ruby and Weiss were the only two to not reconcile with their parents this season, but in Weiss's case it's obvious why, whereas Ruby's lack of connection with Taiyang is kind of a mystery.

At the very least it's strange to me that we wouldn't see more of them interacting, or see more similarities between them. Like, compare when Ruby found Qrow, that was an emotional moment. When Taiyang finds her awake at the end of the volume she's reserved until Qrow asks Taiyang to leave, and then she starts asking more questions and getting more emotional about her ordeal.

edited 2nd Jul '17 5:43:18 PM by Soble

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I don't really think they're treating that like a mystery, though. It may seem a bit weird to us, but the characters have never actually acted as if anything else was going on there.

Most parents generally have favorites, Yang probably just is his favorite. Ruby doesn't seem bothered by it so I doubt it's a Chekhov's gun.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn

To my mind, he was being affectionate (that 'hey there, Firecracker' was pure affection), he was fishing, and he was pointing out the obvious: to people she will come across as lying or crazy. In light of the stark reality, he challenges her story to see if she holds true to what she's saying, and she doesn't waver. His 'crazy then' seemed to be quite soft, so I interpreted it as affectionate or at least an attempt to be light-hearted; it wasn't an intention that he believes she's truly crazy so much as he's trying to understand what really happened. It also pressed a button, which seems deliberate, and is what I mean by fishing. He wanted to understand what had happened to Yang on that arena, and he had to explore her attitude and personality to get a sense of whether Yang was still Yang.

I mean, Ironwood found a conclusion that satisfied him that was neither lying nor crazy — battlefield stress. It's an automatic assumption he came to that has nothing to do with Yang as a person or his knowledge of Yang as a person. It's instead implied to him grafting his personal history onto Yang's situation. It tells us more about him than it does about his understanding of who she is as a person. Unlike Ironwood, Qrow explored Yang's state of mind with his conversation, and we don't fully know what conclusion he may have reached beyond the fact that he does appear to dismiss the idea that she's genuinely crazy, and he certainly dismisses the idea that she's lying.

At the end of the day, Qrow has a lot in common with Ozpin — he hides what he's truly thinking and many of his conversations with people are some kind of battlefield chess game. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about people; it means he has an instinct for knowing when he needs to probe for the truth.

Aside: given that Neo knows Raven, I wonder if Qrow knows who Neo is?

He doesn't tell Ruby everything. Not even close.

He volunteers information about Raven to Yang and offers to help her find Raven should she decide that's what she wants to do.

By contrast, he tells Ruby just enough to manipulate her into travelling to Haven. He then follows in secret and it's strongly implied that Jaune is completely right about Qrow using Ruby as bait. Qrow only reveals anything further to Ruby and her group because he has no choice — and, as The Stinger shows when he meets Oscar, it's clear that even when forced to reveal something, he's only told them the bare minimum (as also implied during his talk with them given the way he dismissed the subject of who Salem is).

I'll give you Winter. Qrow and Winter obviously have a history of some kind and he clearly likes winding her up. So, yes, that was an example of him being a dick. I got the distinct impression the dickery between them is mutual, however.

edited 2nd Jul '17 6:29:56 PM by Wyldchyld

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

Are we sure that Neo actually knows Raven? Raven showed up literally out of nowhere and her appearance was screaming "don't fuck with me". She could have just been an unknown to Neo, who decided to GTFO out of instinct.

edited 2nd Jul '17 6:32:44 PM by Karxrida

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