RWBY General Discussion

Which would be great but the only things we've seen are "one dimensional crazyman" so it doesn't inspire confidence

I mean, considering he's Salem's elite, there has to be more to him. There must be reasons as to why he's even loyal to her in the first place or why was he recruited. I doubt she would appreciate too much of a loose cannon, even if he's a god of fighting.

...I do hope the waitress is alive. ;3;

edited 5th Dec '16 3:04:35 AM by FergardStratoavis

Is weird, the first idea it pot into my mind is those two were Adam spies plant there to keep an eye on Khan.

Also, it seen Hazel was send to see if Khan was loyal to Salem, so he will probably bully her like Cinder Bully Adam.

The problem last time was not the topic. The problem was that it went on for twenty pages and nobody could talk about anything else. That hasn't happened this time, as evidenced by the numerous other topics that have been covered over the last few pages, so I don't think we need to tell anybody to not talk about it (obviously if the next few pages suddenly get swallowed by it again, that will no longer be the case, but I don't anticipate that happening. Everyone seems to have made their point).

Regarding Tyrian, I too am prepared for disappointment. Then again, the villains have never been the strong point of this series. Roman was fun, but only got some depth before he died, and most of the others don't even have that. As a general rule, RWBY seems to fall back on "smug douche" as its main villain archetype, with Roman, Cinder, Mercury, Emerald, Doctor Watts, and now Fennec and Cornac all drawing from that same well. Adam and now Tyrian are the only major enemies who haven't hit that, with Adam's drive to dominate others honestly making him come off as ragingly insecure, while Tyrian is of course a different archetype, namely that of the ranting Psycho for Hire (not necessarily an improvement that).

I'm hopeful that he might be around long enough to gain some depth beyond just being a cackling loon. After all, Roman's three seasons ultimately culminated in him breaking free of the "smug creep" archetype and getting some depth just before he died. Of course that was predicated on Roman being a fan favourite character, which neither Tyrian nor any of the other villains can really be described as yet.

Any predictions on how many times he'll clash with the team before being taken out? Logically as a member of the inner circle he should be even more powerful than the likes of Adam and require even more effort to take down, but there's no guarantees the show will actually follow that pattern. Guesses?

edited 5th Dec '16 9:03:47 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

I think he's actually going to succeed at capturing Ruby, though not for awhile. I also feel their first encounter with him should be a wash but I'm not sure how that'll happen with Qrow there.

With four on one it might not be unbelievable that they could hold him off. I guess it depends on just how high up the Sorting Algorithm Of Evil Tyrian, and the rest of the inner circle for that matter, are supposed to be. There's not a clear hierarchy yet (beyond the fact that Cinder is currently at the bottom; though whether that's because of her injuries or has always been the case we cannot be sure). As the psycho of the group it's not at all unlikely that Tyrian is in fact the least powerful and important of them.

Regarding Qrow—shouldn't he have something better to do beyond following RNJR? I get that he's worried about Ruby (I would be too) but shouldn't he be off running a school or hunting down Salem's associates, or something?

Anyway, I really hope that Tyrian catching them happens next episode. We're five episodes into this season and so far we've had two fight scenes. I'd certainly appreciate some more.

edited 5th Dec '16 9:14:54 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

I do kind of understand the complaints about this season being slow however; before, all of the main characters were together, which made it easy for a singular narrative. Since they're separated now however, the season has to juggle four different plotlines that don't even intersect. This season will either end with nothing really happening or it's going to be rushed.

The best case scenario is that it ends with Tyrian kidnapping Ruby, and Weiss, Yang, and Blake decide it's time to get back in the game.

That's my chief concern. Prior seasons could be slow, but at least everybody was together. Here the scattered nature of the team only makes things move even slower. I really hope they don't stay separated for long; that said, as of yet, the plot has not presented them with any quick way of getting back together.

That could work, even if it sadly means that Jaune, Ren, and Nora are left with even less to do.

edited 5th Dec '16 9:16:54 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Qrow seems to be multitasking, he's following Ruby because he's the one who intentionally set her down this path, but he also seems to be trying to find the Spring Maiden, which I guess he has reason to believe is somewhere in Minstril maybe?

Speaking of academies, I'm a bit surprised Menagerie doesn't have one. Even if it's just lip service like the whole settlement seems to be, that's pretty good lip service and still produces a lot more hunters, which is good for everyone.

To be fair, spliting the four was necesary to give them devolpment, as team some(Yang,Blake) get more than other(Weiss,Ruby), also I think they try to make this season more focus on the story than volume 3 which was full of unecesary fights.

"That hasn't happened this time, as evidenced by the numerous other topics that have been covered over the last few pages, so I don't think we need to tell anybody to not talk about it "

The reason is because we are cutting the conversation before it get out of control, is a problem in this thread: we really,really,REALLY like to repeat conversations, hell im waiting to see Adam so I can used egdelord jokes again, so is not surprising the thread is so paranoid abut this

Actually another question for the thread—think we'll see any of Salem's other inner circle in action this season, or is liable to be Tyrian and Tyrian only? For that matter, I wonder if any of her other henchmen have their own posses, as Cinder does.

@unknowing

Conversely I think that acting as if nobody has learned anything from last time is doing everyone in the thread a disservice. I also think that telling people they can't say that they still don't like Sun because someone might respond with an essay about why they should is silly (just as it would be silly to tell you to avoid making edgelord jokes about Adam because one of his fans might take issue with it).

Regarding splitting up the team, I don't disagree that it may have been necessary to the story; I'm simply concerned they aren't going to handle it well. So far we are almost halfway through the season (assuming it's the usual twelve episodes) and not much has happened. Now, maybe they can get around that. Maybe the last few episodes will find a way to move everything along at a vastly greater pace. I'm just not hopeful as of yet.

edited 5th Dec '16 9:40:36 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Given Salem wants to destroy humanity...I think there's a very good reason an Ax-Crazy nutjob might want to work for her.

Tyrian wanting to work for Salem makes complete sense. I just hope he gets a little depth beyond that.

That might make sense assuming he knows about that but I think it's unlikely she's actually told them what her true objective is. Like, they might think it's a take over the world/new world order thing, not "everybody dies, the end".

edited 5th Dec '16 9:50:38 AM by LSBK

We honestly don't have enough information on Salem to assess how much she's told anyone. Cinder, I'm sure, is not in the know, but I wonder about the others.

Either way, conquest or genocide, Tyrian's likely just in it for the carnage.

If Salem is keeping them in the dark, I wonder if any of her inner circle will turn on her.

Probably Watts, assuming Cinder doesn't get redeemed or whatever. Probably the type to lash out because he was played for a fool or something.

edited 5th Dec '16 10:22:47 AM by LSBK

He's also the type that would be put in line or killed off if he tried.

The issue with keeping the four leads together is that it stalls the plot itself.

This isn't like a videogame where you can have all your leads have a separate plot.

@LSBK

He does seem the type who could become The Starscream if given the opportunity.

Everyone's talking about Tyrian and I'm just here wondering when Neo's coming back.

Being realistic though, I want to have faith that Tyrian might have a bit more depth, but it's not to say that I'd be disappointed if he isn't. If he has a nutty fighting style, and interesting Semblance, or his insanity is fun to watch then that can compensate for a lack of depth enough for me.

He's also going to Mistral right? He might have a run in with some people we know, too.

edited 5th Dec '16 10:44:10 AM by LSBK

Insanity being fun to watch also compensates for having depth to me.

It's probably why Joker and Dr. Eggman are my favorite villains.

Yea, a character doesn't necessarily need depth if they're entertaining enough through sheer personality.