Ambiguous Name: Netorare Genre

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51 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 04:38:06 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
We'll need someone to create the Cuckolding trope, though.

v OK, fixed that.

edited 28th May '13 7:11:44 AM by SeptimusHeap

There's no H.

Cuckold is the term.
[up][up] I can do it. I've actually written a few stories of the genre professionally.

Want me to just start a YKTTW?
54 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 11:56:44 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I would personally say yes, although we may wait a bit for other opinions. My idea was to crowner the split-into-a-trope-and-into-the-genre idea and I wanted to make sure somebody could handle a YKTTW, since I can't.
Yeah, I can totally write one up and curate it, if people agree that's the proper course of action.
I think this is really more of a porn trope than a fetish trope since I'm pretty sure it's just about always directly related to sex. I'd support dumping it entirely. But I guess I'm kind of late on that.
57 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 02:54:15 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
Cuckold from what I get is a fetish but no 100% porn association. Netorare - I don't know, but I remember that Eddie in the content policy topics said that such term definitions can be OK.

And speaking of our head admin, we'll need to decide whether to put the term definition under "netorare" or "netorare genre". For the note, the former was the previous name and was redirected to "netorare genre" during the animesque trope name renames of 2011.
I'm almost positive netorare is only used to describe a pornographic situation. I don't know about cuckolding, but the basic setup for netorare is Alice and Bob are either together or about to get together and Charlie comes along and rapes/blackmails/drugs/something Alice (it's not consensual so far as I know) and through the magical powers of penis becomes Charlie's slave while Bob, if he even finds out, is reduced to a pathetic wreck. The setup requires sex and is basically just used in a controversial style of porn.

I mean, if we want to have a definition of what it is that's no real concern of mine, but the way I understood the policy was that pornographic tropes like O Ring Orifice were not really welcome around here anymore.

edited 28th May '13 3:29:47 PM by Arha

59 SeptimusHeap28th May 2013 03:32:45 PM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I don't know about netorare, admittedly. I'll note that O Ring Orifice was cut due to creepy examples which by definition don't exist on a fanspeak definition - and we do have hentai after all.

Well, we'll probably need more opinions here.

Start up the YKTTW, with a note not to add porn examples, and see how many examples we get.

On the Netorare vs Netorare Genre thing, I have a feeling Eddie won't change his mind, and at this point I don't care enough. I would prefer if it didn't have the custom title forcing the issue, but oh well.
62 SeptimusHeap29th May 2013 03:17:24 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
^^As a matter of question, does the term "netorare" refer to a genre-like thing or a trope-like thing?
It has no more significance than Mecha. There are mecha, and there is a Mecha Genre.

EDIT: Ironically, those also link to the exact same page. *Facepalm* What I'm trying to say is that there's an individual trope, and there's a genre built around the trope.

edited 29th May '13 8:01:30 AM by KingZeal

I just read through most of this thread, and I've been agreeing with what King Zeal just said the whole time. There is a difference between having a trope and having a genre based on that trope.

Personally I think that it's hard to see what the genre could have that the trope doesn't, so there's no need to have anything but the trope itself. I tend to feel that way any time this issue comes up, actually, but for other genres they can be useful for categorizing works. So I think the only reason to have a "genre" page is if there are enough works that fit entirely in the genre. On this page I see "Far, far too many hentai to list." meaning that most full-genre examples are not and never will be on the site, leaving no reason for the extra qualifier.

I also want to say that "Netorare Genre" is one of those names that doesn't sound like anything, so I have to find out what it means almost every time I see it. That's why I read this thread, initially. I think the solution is just to rename it and move on.
65 Willbyr5th Jun 2013 11:30:01 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Page action crowner hooked.
I want to add an option to cut this to the crowner, but with 75 inbounds perhaps it should be redirected to Cuckold? Even if we declare this page to be fanspeak it's still fanspeak describing porn.
67 SeptimusHeap6th Jun 2013 05:22:14 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
75 wicks. It has more than 10000 inbounds.

Dunno about the cut idea - we didn't cut hentai either, and that is even more porn-ey than this.
68 Willbyr6th Jun 2013 05:49:07 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With that many inbounds, a straight cut is out of the question.
Oh, my bad. That's a silly mistake for me to make. Okay, yeah, not an option. Well, I guess if we're keeping a definition of hentai around there's no real need to push for something I don't actually care about.

edited 6th Jun '13 7:32:24 AM by Arha

Bump for votes.
Bump again. Come on, there's obviously consensus, can't we get more votes to seal the deal?
Calling the crowner. Launch the YKTTW and convert Netorare into fanspeak.
73 SeptimusHeap28th Jun 2013 05:04:18 AM from Laniakea , Relationship Status: Mu
I made a sandbox, Sandbox.Netorare for the Fan Speak page. As for the YKTTW, it surely looks launchready to me, although I may be wrong.

As for the "Netorare Genre" vs. "Netorare" decision, I support using "Netorare", for the following reasons:
  • As-is, the page refers to a genre and thus needs the "genre" qualifier to make it understandable to English-only people. Since the Fan Speak page only refers to the term, it doesn't need a qualifier, and all examples of the trope/genre will end up on the English-only people-understandable YKTTW.
  • We have a precedent for this fanspeak page vs. trope/genre page split on Bishoujo here.
I'll launch it later today, if there's no objections.
75 Willbyr28th Jun 2013 05:24:26 AM from North Little Rock, AR , Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
The sandbox looks good. Something that might bear mentioning is that, to my understanding, a fair portion of these works has the cuckolding being done right in front of the established partner, usually with a "why couldn't you do this to/for me"-type verbal/emotional slap in the face. IIRC, that was the logic behind the page pic.

Page Action: Netorare Genre
4th Jun '13 12:54:00 PM
What would be the best way to fix the page?
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