Still fun to watch though. 
Nothing wrong with idealism and friendship.
Also, there's this thing in manga where people bickering is a sign of them getting along... which probably goes a long way to explaining most manga relationships, now that I think about it.
CHADhan Player.
Why do you think Belligerent Sexual Tension and Foe Yay Shipping are such a popular tropes.
Anime has brainwashed us into believing animosity means we wanna shag each other.
edited 3rd Oct '16 12:36:40 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Nah, I think they are popular tropes because people already believe that.
One Winged Egret
It probably makes more sense in a society more focused on politeness and formalities. If you really hated someone you wouldn't be openly rude to them, because that just reflects poorly on you as a rude person. You'd instead politely excuse yourself and make excuses to never see them again. Bickering implies that you're close enough to someone to not care about how they or others see you.
edited 3rd Oct '16 3:59:23 PM by Clarste
CHADhan Player.
Oh yea, because we're Americans and we have no problem telling someone to screw off when they piss us off.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Belligerent Sexual Tension and the like are definitely real things but they're unlikely to result in healthy, lasting relationships, like they usually do in mangaland.
edited 3rd Oct '16 4:49:15 PM by LSBK
CHADhan Player.
That's the funny part, you usually don't see couples like that past the point they hook up to see how their relationship progresses.
Its actually older than we think too because I recall some old plays using that trope too.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
I think the archetypal example is Beatrice and Benedick from Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing. That example is interesting, because they're portrayed as knowing each other much better and having a much more solid relationship than the traditionally lovey-dovey couple they're contrasted with.
edited 3rd Oct '16 5:29:25 PM by IniuriaTalis
CHADhan Player.
That's probably why the "belligerent" part of the relationship works; they understand each other enough to not get under each other's skins as easily.
That actually makes a lot of sense and why most couples who fit that bill are rare.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Well its a fact that you can tell how close two people are by how rude they can be toward each other without taking offense.
Call a guy you barely know a shithead and those are figthing wods. Call your best friend a shithead and he'll won't even register you didn't use his name.
CHADhan Player.
Can confirm this is true.....wow, we just kinda careened off topic didn't we; how the hell did we even get here.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
From why Soma considers Hayama a friend.
CHADhan Player.
And we somehow got to talk about sexual relationships from that.....hmmmmmmm.
Anyway, I don't think Soma actually considers Hayama a friend...its kinda like his relationship with Erina before she came around except its not Played for Laughs. Hell, the previous chapter even referred to Hayama as his Arch-Enemy.
edited 3rd Oct '16 10:14:41 PM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Actually, Souma not considering him a friend would probably explain the disgust. He still respects Hayama, but if he doesn't particularly like him his reaction is kind of like 'You're my rival and gave me the one solid defeat that I can't chalk up to inexperience or anything else and now you're sitting here moping because of your own cowardice? Pathetic.'
He's still respected, though, so Souma is above taking advantage of the situation that way.
Well, it's easy to see why finding out that the guy who beat him is actually such a pathetic loser would piss Souma off. It reflects badly on him as well.
CHADhan Player.
Exactly, Hayama could have easily defended Shiomi's Seminar if he had the balls, but he decided to just fold over and let Central coerce him while Soma bet everything to defend Polar Star and take the fight to Central itself.
You can respect someone without actually liking them.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Forever Gorgeous
I can't get too mad at Hayama. You can look at it as cowardly, but Azami was also holding all their research hostage. You could see the logic; he wouldn't want both his and Jun's dfforts to go to waste.
That might be because I really like Hayama though. It might be mostly because of his gimmick, which is no contest my favorite in the whole series; strong, aromatic spice blends, and curry are the best.
edited 4th Oct '16 6:13:04 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles
"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
CHADhan Player.
I can see why he did it, its the most pragmatic option to take...but this is Shonen and being reckless is praised more than being pragmatic and hence "a coward"
And wat, someone ''likes" Hayama? I thought people were either indifferent or despised his guts :V
edited 4th Oct '16 6:14:11 AM by BlackYakuzu94
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Forever Gorgeous
My tastes are shit bae.
His schtick is a huge part of it, his warmer moments with Jun are sweet, and I didn't mind Soma taking a loss at the Elections. Then again, I had the blessing of reading it in full, in one go.
edited 4th Oct '16 6:20:37 AM by mrsunshinesprinkles
"Curry killed the pussy hoping that I could kill the hate in you" - Curry, D. "TABOO | TA13OO." TA13OO, PH, 2018
CHADhan Player.
He really does get a lot more flak than I generally expect; usually the brooding Shonen rival are at worst boring but I haven't seen so much distaste for one since Sasuske and the worst thing I can really say about Hayama is that he's kind of a dick.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Maybe I wouldn't hate him so if he could shut up about his nose for five minutes.
That hasn't even happened in awhile and every time it was brought up it was actually relevant. You might as well ask people not to bring up Erina's tongue but Erina's cool so apparently it's not the same thing. Honestly, Shlugo, you always come off as unreasonably petty when it comes to him. Like, I get not liking him, but you seem to actively try to hate anything involving him.
As for the seminar...eh, I get it. Saving the seminar doesn't actually mean much if they lose everything they've been trying to get out of it for years.
Honestly, I'd prefer it if Soma wasn't shown to be completely right about this, but being Shonen, that's unlikely.
edited 4th Oct '16 6:55:24 AM by LSBK
You always jump to his defense. Listen, I don't care if you like, but just accept that some people just don't.
Because Shonen is a demographic primarily for children, idealism and friendship always works out in the end.
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